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|    Lord Valve to Phil Allison    |
|    Re: Questions for Pat Turner    |
|    22 Jun 13 08:02:20    |
      From: detritus@ix.netcom.com              Phil Allison wrote:              > "John L Stewort"       > >       > > 'Phil Allison       >       > >> >       > >> > When loudsppeakers are connected in series, each unit becomes the       > >> source impedance for the other(s).-       > >>       > >> ** Long as the speakers are near identical - this has NO effect.       > >>       > >> The signal voltage divides equally across each speaker at all       > >> frequencies.       > >>       > >> -       > >> > Not recommended at all, under any circumstance!-       > >>       > >>       > >> ** Bollocks.       > >>       > >> The Bose 802 has eight identical 1ohm drivers in series.       > >>       > >> -       > >> > Four similar in series/parallel should be OK. Connect the mid points       > >> > together as well.-       > >>       > >>       > >> ** You just contradicted yourself.       > >>       >       > ** FUCKHEAD !!       >       > > > That is why I recommended the fire extinguisher.       >       > ** Certainly - go shove the hose up your arse and push the lever.       >       > Might just get some of the SHIT out of you.       >       > > Good for the Bose & its 8R speakers. Who cares?       >       > ** What a fucking bullshitter.       >       > The Bose 801 uses 1ohm speakers, eight of them, all in series and all       > perfectly DAMPED.       >       > You stupid, fucking septic twat.       >       > .... Phil              ...              Back in the day, the 800 series came abour due to       people using 901s for live vocals. The 901s had       nine speakers, 8 in the back side and one in the       front. Musicians turned them around and pointed       the 8 at the audience, but the single (now) rear-       facing driver caused problems with feedback.       Bose brought out the 800 series for live sound       reinforcement use, and they did away with the       problematic ninth driver...but since you must have       a number of drivers that has a square root in       order for the impedance of the cabinet to equal       the impedance of a single driver, they replaced       the missing driver with a 50-watt resistor to keep       the box at 8 ohms. (I seem to remember it wasn't       an 8-ohm resistor, though...11 ohms? Something       like that...) This fix turned one ninth of the applied       power into heat, making the already power-hungry       boxes even more so. Eventually the cabs evolved       into the injection-molded box variety with the 1-ohm       drivers in series; these drivers have plastic frames,       and whenever a box gets knocked over (they're usually       up on sticks) the magnets rip free of the plastic baskets,       necessitating replacement of some or all of them.       The series wiring scheme means that if any of the drivers       packs up by going open, the box will go silent - not a       good thing in a live situation, if you ask me. I realy don't       see why they didn't just go to 16-ohm drivers; two series-       parallel networks of four drivers each (at 16 ohms per network)       placed in parallel would arrive at the desired 8-ohm impedance.              Back in the day - early 70s - my band had the first Bose system       in Colorado, consisting of 8 Bose 800 boxes (four on a side)       driven by two Altec 9440A power amps - 1,600 watts, and       those boxes needed every bit of it. By the standards of the       day, it was a kickass rig. It replaced a pair of Altec A7-500       cabinets driven by a pair of Dynaco MK III amps (built from       kits and modded for higher output by yours truly) but we kept       the old rig as backup; out of doors, the Altecs provided       superior coverage, and in that case we used the Bose       rig for foldback - best monitors I've ever heard, bar none.              Lord Valve              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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