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|    Phil Allison to All    |
|    Re: Questions for Pat Turner    |
|    06 Jul 13 21:00:39    |
      From: phil_a@tpg.com.au              "patrick-turner"       Phil mentioned...       >       > ** The AR9 was first sold in 1978 and used two 12 inch woofers, same ones       > used in the AR11 released in 1977.       ** AR constantly refer to the above woofers as being 12 inch.       But they are closer to 11 inch, in reality.       I remember now there was something odd about the woofers in a friend's       AR11s.       The impedance curve of the AR11 was so wild I drew it out and kept a copy -       here is a listing:              DC = 4.2 ohms       10Hz = 5 ohms       32Hz = 30 ohms       100Hz = 4 ohms       500Hz = 10 ohms       1kHz = 4 ohms       2kHz = 2.5 ohms       5kHz = 2 ohms       10kHz = 2 ohms       12kHz = 2 ohms       20kHz = 3 ohms       50kHz = 8 ohms              BTW:       The low figures above 2kHz are because the 4ohm dome mid and 4ohm dome       tweeter are operating in parallel.       The owner was originally using twin wire he got from Tandy / Radio Shack (       14x0.14 stuff ) - so each run was about 1.5 ohms resistance, plus about 2.5       ohms of inductance at 15kHz.       So I made him up some leads using "Tocord" ( aka Mogami cable) with near       zero inductance and about 0.2 ohms resistance.       His mouth dropped open when he heard the difference.       .. Phil              Before completely re-forming the pair of AR9 I was given to fix, I did       manage to get one working as it may have worked when new by swapping out       working mid/HF drivers so that enough working drivers were in the same box.       I found the acoustic response response using the middle position of mid-HF       level switches was anything but flat and extremely poor by my standards. I       don't recall any HF dips to 2 ohms as you state exists above 2kHz,                     ** Please, read my post more carefully - it's the *AR1 * that has absurdly       low impedance above 2 kHz.              > IMHO, it is very easy to make a better pair of speakers than the AR9.                     ** The various AR speakers I have seen and tested were riddled with unholy       compromises and evil Yankee dodges - plus built as cheaply as possible.              Their Aussie built models were even worse, with plastic veneer - yuck.              But still better than Bose by a mile.                            ... Phil              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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