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|    Re: Wien Bridge Oscilator, 1Hz to 1MHz.    |
|    25 Aug 13 05:11:24    |
      From: info@turneraudio.com.au              Phil mentioned, as I expected, about yet another piece of old junk made in       Autrsalia when far better stuff could have been made........              Although capable of battery operation, a mains PSU came installed in the        battery compartment. The vast majority of units made had this option fitted.               The custom made, wire wound, reverse log, 15kohm dual potentiometer was the        best thing about it and normally outlasts everything else. I still have two        perfect examples, one in daily use.              **You are lucky. The pot on the one I have IS SHIT, intermittent, and you       can't pull it apart to clean it and I guess it was worn out. There were other       faults in PS, fucked bjts from having recieved stray excessive voltages from       something it was hooked        up to.               Because of using such a beautiful pot, BWD 141s have exceptional frequency        stability.               **I have found all pot operated wien bridge oscilators are far less stable       than somethig operated by a radio tuning gang and fixed resistances. The HP       33A gear was SO MUCH better, with a beautiful 4 gang C you can get 100pF to       1,000pF. But the amount of        C isn't enough to allow sensible R values at 1Hz. There is only room for a       suitable replacement for the Comptom pot, or you have switched F where the R       says absolutely stable, and when you switch to a selected F, that's what you       get.              The typical THD is 0.05% between 100 Hz and 100kHz.              **Yes, not bad, but excessively good for just response testing I have other       low THD oscilators for low THD.               Replacing the original BWD discreet electronics with a pair of NE5532        op-amps and a "phase shifting oscillator" topology reduced the THD to        vanishing levels (circa 0.002% ) at all audio frequencies.               **No doubt you could use opamps but They don't go very well at 1MHz. I have       not explored using special much wider BW devices. I've just used what everyone       can buy at wescomponents.com.au              **My circuit gives no DC offsets, and excellent square waves from 1Hz to       100kHz, quite good enough from 100kHz to 400kHz. Square waves above 400kHz are       acceptable for limited use and could be better but I really should put in       another emitter follower        comp pair buffer after the attenuator switch and pot to create Rout of always       50 ohms to preserved the HF content to maybe 20MHz. I have not explored making       a better Schmitt trigger sine to square wave converter. But I do have quite       good all round        performance and better than the crummy original junk that BEGGED to be       BUTCHERED, as it was never ever going to get used as it was, and I came close       to putting the junk in the bin.              Shame then Turneroid had to butcher his one so badly.               **Shame Phil likes to stand up for such terrible old junk.               **The fet I use for NFB control is not a perfect solution. Its action creates       considerable THD as anyone will find if they put a CRO on the drain terminal       of the MPF102, the typical j-fet used in such a situation. What puzzles me is       that you have a fet        with source at 0V, and gate has negative bias applied, like a vacuum tube, but       drain is also at 0Vdc bias and the applied Vac to drain swings above and below       0V, and there is considerable THD created by the action so the Rd looking into       the biased fet d        terminal is a non linear resistance. I think there should be about +10Vdc at       the MPF102 drain, and that this should be supplied by a CCS, using a       u-follower cuit with additional MPF02 with fixed 10Vdc appied to its gate,       470k bias R and its gate cap        coupled to drain of bottom j-jet. Then the drain to 0V circuit of bottom fet       can be cap coupled to other R of NFB network, 2k7, and maybe the Rd with DC       bias across the fet may be more linear.        I am also thinking of a light dependant resistance and LED, but that all seems       to have circuit impedance that is is too high for MHz operation.       There is actually rather a small amount online abut the real issues involved       with fets used in NFB regulation. BUT, I find RS component have type 327 lamps       which are rated for just over 1W at 28V and 40mA, giving 700r, so 150r at low       levels of an        oscillator, and the other R then can be 300r, giving FB R total of 450r, and       OK at HF, and not too low to load the amp too much. 327 would be better than       12V "grain of wheat lamps" which are 27r cold, and ideally 60r with a volt.       Using a few in series        gives starnge results because then you find any batch you buy are all       unmatched, and some run with much varying T. Having said that, I have a 1kHz       oscillator that gives 8Vrms at THD 0.004% using NE5534, and with just the one       12V lamp which has about 2.       67V across it.        Patrick Turner.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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