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|    Re: Restoring a Sherwood S-5000    |
|    12 Jan 14 14:11:25    |
      Ok, pics coming soon...              First step was to take voltage measurements off the bias and HV+ rails.        Here's what I got on my S-5000. By the way, there are two variants of the       S-5000 that I will discuss later, basically the older, longer version and the       newer, shorter version. The        one I am working on here is one of the shorter types.              After the 20uf cap coming off the rectifier, there is a 33 ohm 7w resistor       connecting to the next cap section, 40uf@500v. According to documentation,       this point should measure 415v (plate) but I often find that it reads higher.        This particular amp is        currently measuring 438v on the plates! This is why you really have to have a       7189 here, or at least a beefy 6BQ5 that is known to handle high plate       voltages. I've seen lesser Sovteks arc over in these amps before.              So, according to my Sams photofact, the correct voltages going down the HV+       rail are as follows on the left, and this amp is as follows on the right:              Photofact This S-5000              C1/A - 420v 442v        C1/B - 415v 438v       C1/C - 350v 365v       C2/A - 275v 285v       C2/B - 225v 204v              So right off the bat something looks amiss - All these voltages are a bit       higher than listed, but that is ok. What is odd is that they're all higher       except for one, which is quite a bit lower. That second section of C2 should       be higher than 225v, since        everything else is higher than listed. Instead, it's 21 volts lower than       listed. I suspect this points to either that dropping resistor or that cap       section being leaky. Either that, or current draw after that dropping       resistor is higher than it's        supposed to be for some reason. We'll have to get to the bottom of that.              Now on to the bias supply. It's interesting to note that the bias supply also       supplies DC filament current to the two phono preamp tubes, which makes it       even more interesting that I've never gotten a US made 12AX7 to sound good in       those positions,        getting hum regardless. I suppose it means that it was more induced hum from       the surroundings than from the filaments as I had stated earlier, or perhaps       there was something amiss in the amp in which I tried it. I will have to       re-visit that whole thing        once this is finished.              There are no real test points listed in the bias supply other than the final       ouptut voltage, which is supposed to be -20v. This amp is currently putting       out -21.8, which is probably right on target considering the plate voltage is       running a tad high -        the extra bias voltage is welcome. In fact, I'd like to see it a little       higher, and once the selenium rectifier is swapped out for silicon diodes,       I'll expect to see closer to -23v. A real indication of the health of this       circuit will be the DC        voltages at the phono tubes, since these actually have some current draw to       them              Sam's Photofact This S-5000              C3/A - Unlisted -29.3v       C3/B - 24v 22.74v       C3/C - -20v -21.8v       V1 Fil - 24v 22.74        V2 Fil - 12v 11.06                     So the bias supply looks good, but the DC voltages to the phono preamp section       looks a tad soft. Who knows, filament starving can have nice effects, but       It'll be interesting to see what happens when the selenium rectifier and those       electrolytics are        replaced. I always see the bias voltage increase, so the filament should as       well. This SAM's photofact has the polarity of the bias cap backwards, FYI.        I will post it all soon when I figure out where to put all the uploads for       this project.                     It should be noted that this amp currently works and sounds fantastic. No       signs of hum, very clean sound, no issues at all except the power transformer       gets a little bit hotter than I think it should be. Thermal gun measurements       have gotten close to        136F. My experience tells me that the second rev. of the S-5000, which this       one is, tend to run a little hotter due to smaller iron. However, I still       feel this one is a bit hotter than it should be after two hours of running and       I think a power supply        rebuild might lower that figure by 10 degrees. Still, for a bone-stock amp       built in 1959, this thing is nothing short of amazing.              More to come soon!                     -forkinthesocket              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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