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|    Patrick Turner to All    |
|    Guitar amp tone control calculators    |
|    15 Feb 14 02:20:44    |
      From: info@turneraudio.com.au              I've been asked by a couple of locals in my town to make their guitar amps       sound better. One has had 20 years as a working muso and the other teaches       music and plays at gigs often. d        How they perceive sound is often difficult. It varies between individuals, and       if I had a cent for each time I heard musicians talk about amp sound quality,       or for each time I read utter BS about guitar amps online,       and all without the slightest technical appraisals, I'd be STOINKINGLY RICH!       The teacher said he had a slight buzz from one amp he brought, and it wasn't       obvious, but sure enough there was a loose spade connector on one of two       speakers in the cab.               But a month ago one customer brought in an old 1965 amp plus his guitar, and       demoed to me why he liked it in comparison to a newly made Fender re-issue of       the same model number. The re-issue he said, was bloody awful, and indeed even       my tired old ears        could hear exactly what he was saying about the sound. The 1965 sound was just       so much better than the 2013 sound.              So I explored F response. Its anything but flat, and it seems the best sound       comes when the response shows 100Hz at say 0dB, then a dip in response of -5dB       at 400Hz, then rising to 0dB by 1kHz and rising at 6dB/octave above 1kHz to       5kHz, then ending op        at 0dB at 20kHz.               For most guitar amps, if the controls are adjusted widely for the best square       wave possible 1kHz, usually it sounds dull and lifeless. So flatness in       response isn't wanted.               I came across the tone control calculator at Duncan's amp pages.       Its the best attempt at such a thing I have seen, but after building a couple       of sample "tone stacks" and measuring the responses, I often could not get the       same curves. In general, Duncan's tone stack calculator gives far more       optimistic boost and cut        than appears to be possible, and there does not seem to be adequate means of       inputting the measured resistance of pots used in the 1, 5 and 10 positions,       so one doesn't know what effect a log A or log B pot might have, or what       assumptions about pot have        been made by the program.              Remarkably, many guitar amps have very poor F response with inadequate bass       levels and no way of much boosting them much. Sound is tinny, harsh. There's       poor treble boost, and almost non existent benefit of a "middle" which if at       least done basically,        should be able to create a -10dB dip at between 320Hz and 1,000Hz which seems       to give the best sound, by amplifying the highest string harmonics the most.              Is there a better calculator around for tone controls which allows any       combination of R&C to be used? I don't wish to use a circuit simulation       program.               I have the offending Fender Deluxe on my and will eventually figure a decent       mod so it sounds better - I hope - and as a result of applied science rather       than applied BS.              Patrick Turner              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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