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|    Patrick Turner to All    |
|    Re: Is There Anybody In There?    |
|    03 Jan 16 00:34:27    |
      From: info@turneraudio.com.au              Big Bad Bob remarked cleverly.....               > I dunno how they'd do AM now, lots and lots and lots of utterly       incomprehensible didgets & bizibots I guess.               here's what _I_ would do, if it were solid state:               a) use a ring modulator with VERY heavy negative feedback               Yeah, I guess I could, but then its not simple with large amounts of FB.....              Have to a decent working schematic?              - or -               b) use a relatively linear MOSFET biased to its most linear zone with a        tube-like modulation circuit, i.e. source-feed from osc for carrier,        gate modulation.               Yes, well, I tried for 3 weeks to get IRF610 to give a healthy bandwidth and       low THD of the envelope shape but their self capacitances seemed to defeat me.       BF469 worked better, PP for RF with balanced RF to bases, and voltage       controlled current source to        commoned emitters. Not bad even with untuned collector load of 33r to each       collector, with DC feed through CT choke If I wanted a tuned LC in collector       circuit, ( or drain circuit of mosfets, and variable F, then a whole other       approach is needed, and        then you realise the ordinary dual gang 5pF-480pF variable cap needs an easily       made coil, and quite low current, all like what is in HP6060A - Now that's a       good RF gene with AM modulation.       The tubes work with very low currents and highish voltages because tuned       circuit impedances are so high, so the trick is to use an anode coil with say       110 turns anode to anode with CT and on a ferrite rod, and have two secs in       parrallel of 4 turns each -        and I got 5.6Vrms easy, less THD than any of the SS I tried, and I'm in the       middle of fixing up the AF gain abd NFB, but results look promising using AF       drive to commoned screens, and an SS diff amp to supply Idc to commoned       cathodes so that Vdc from a        detector keeps the RF output level. Its not until you try these things you       realise how darn difficult it is to make everything work just right between       525kHz and 1.8MHz.              I'm concluding to myself that having a PP tube arrangement for RF probably is       not essential at all, because even with PP RF, the AF works the same way -       single ended - on both the tubes of PP pair. Screen mod is quite good, and it       means cathode can be        well bypassed to 0V, and RF delivered to g1 by low Z drive circuit. Getting       maximum pk-pk AM = twice carrier pk-pk IS difficult. Ia declines as % mod       increases, hence my use of Vdc controlled current source to cathodes. Even       then, still hard to get max        AM pk-pk to twice carrier pk-pk.       I heard plate mode works better, because modulator supplies power to the       output RF power - same principle applies for high pwr Xmitter or for tiny pwr       sig gene.       Basically, the Ia MUST increase and so must gm, to get the change of carrier       levels.       Its not very well explained everywhere I search. They say, do this, and that,       and no guaranteed to work schematic. Much BS with no details.                      - or -               c) use a "digital exciter" circuit. probably a ZILLION ways to make        THAT work. I'd give PWM a try. for 455khz IF modulator, you'd need        455Mhz with divide-by-1024 and 12-bit accuracy. THEN, modulate the        455Mhz with 455khz digital signal, with amplitude calculated based on        digital sampling of the input. Input is at 0.5V, output swing is +/-        256. Input is at 1V, output swing is +/- 512 [max modulation]. Anyway,        that might be kind of interesting.               OMG. OMG twice!!!! Digi-pharkin-tal???               Now you've really pissed me off. Well, a little. Its OK, I'll recover.       Lord Noze how many gidajeticals are in the box, with virtualy no idea what       they are all doing........Private commercial knowledge......can't even find       one single easily understood description of digital radio transmission.       Not one single waveform anywhere, or any circuit. Oh yeah, all kept secret.              - and -               You'd use an IF freq. for the modulator, maybe 455khz like AM receivers,        then drive this into a freq. synthesis converter, similar to old-style        "crystal oven" freq. synth transmitters the Navy used back in the day.                      it should work for just about the entire range, and you should be able        to use tuned SSB mechanical filters on the transmitter IF, with an "add        carrier" level adjust.                      but yeah, BEST way to do AM modulation (In My Bombastic Opinion) is with        an IF carrier, so you can do SSB and 'carrier injection' and whatnot via        off-the-shelf mechanical filters and THEN drive the transmitter through        a freq. synth. thingy. Super-accurate, good quality SSB, built-in        ACCURATE carrier generation for SSB reception, and so forth.               I don't want anything to do with SSB. I just want an easy done low THD AM,       DSB+c signal.               [that worked really nice with TUBES back in the day, it's how the Navy        transmitters (that I studied for ET 'A' school) worked, though they used        solid state switching diodes to generate harmonics for synthesis]               Maybe all that worked just fine. But maybe nothing is able to easily be       applied using low pwr tubes in a simple home made box, now riddled with drill       holes after so many attempts at doing things I did before which didn't work as       well as stuff I tried        later....and maybe somethings I've tried 5 times before I stop frowning and       swearing at the darn gear.              The shall work.        It shall work over the proposed F range.       Performance shall be consistent in all behavior over the entire RF range.       It shall have low THD in envelope shape up to 97% mod.       It shall be able to be modulated by AF between 15Hz and 10kHz and up to 97%.       Ringing of envelope shape when using 1kHz square wave shall be minimal.       There shall be minimal production of spurious behaviors or parasitic F.              Unless you have goals, nothing is realised. I'm a horrid man, because that's       how my mind works. :-)              Anyway, soldering on to nowhere is fine for me, I don't mind being totally       useless, the world won't miss me later, so its the journey and the wonderment       for me.       Patrick Turner              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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