From: rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid   
      
   On 30 Mar 2024, Tobiah  wrote in rec.audio.pro:   
      
   > I hae a Zoom G1X four that I will use with a Crate TX30BE amp.   
   > I've seen videos that demonstrate that delay and reverb effects   
   > sound much better in the effects loop, but I think it's because   
   > they were overdriving the preamp, and distorting a reverb signal   
   > sounds worse then reverbing a distorted signal.   
   >   
   > But what about the signal levels?  I assume that the 'send' jack   
   > on my amp is post preamp, so would I be sending a line level   
   > signal to the pedal if I put it in the FX loop?  The manual for   
   > the G1X four gives these figures:   
   >   
   >    Input:   
   >      Rate input level: -20 dBu   
   >      Input impedance (line): 470 KOhm   
   >   
   >    Output:   
   >      Max output Line   
   >      Line +2 dBu (10 kΩ or more output impedance)   
   >      Headphones 17 mW + 17 mW (32 Ω load)   
   >   
   > There is only one input jack and one output jack.   
   > I read the manual and it doesn't seem to have a line/instrument   
   > setting.   
   >   
   > When overdriving the preamp, many suggest putting any   
   > drive/distortion pedals in front of the preamp, with time shifters   
   > like reverb chorus and delay in the FX loop.   
   >   
   > I'm actually going to be runing this clean most of the time, so   
   > with max master knob level, setting volume with the premp.  In   
   > that case I think I'd be ok running the pedal in front, and if I   
   > did want a distorted sound, I've have to rely solely on the pedal   
   > for that, without overdriving the preamp.   
   >   
   > So I'm really wondering whether the pedal is more at home at front   
   > or in the loop from a levels standpoint.   
      
   Reverbs and delays in front of distortions are generally considered to   
   be a bad thing, and logic and my experience tell me this is correct.   
   It's not necessarily that they are overdriving the preamp, it's that   
   that distorting those time-based effects will smear them up and sound   
   messy and ugly. But maybe you like that sound even if only for an   
   occasional effect.   
      
   Distortions after preamp are usually considered to be a bad thing. But   
   you may like it, so try it and see.   
      
   Your choices are three:   
      
   - Use the Zoom's amp emulations and go into the Crate's effects return.   
   The amp will function as a clean power amp and the Zoom will be the   
   preamp, most of your tone will come from it. You probably want to keep   
   the Zoom's speaker cabinet emulations off, but try it and see.   
      
   - Your plan is a good one IMO: run the pedal in front of the amp with   
   the amp set clean-ish. You probably want to turn the Zoom's amp and   
   cabinet emulations off, but try it to see if you like it. Play with the   
   Zoom's output level - you may not want to run it at maximum.   
      
   - If you are using only the time-based effects, running it in the loop   
   might be the best option.   
      
      
   By the way, I have one of these units that I was given as a gift. I   
   have hardly used it so I'm preparing to sell it. I see these going for   
   new for about $90. I also see them selling used for as much as $130!   
   Wha-wha-what!?!   
      
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