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   Ken Olson to Steve W.   
   Re: testing fuel pressure on a 3.3L 2005   
   04 Apr 21 00:35:31   
   
   XPost: alt.home.repair   
   From: kolson@freedomnet.org   
      
   On 4/3/2021 10:11 PM, Steve W. wrote:   
   > micky wrote:   
   >> (I don't think I have a fuel problem, but when I'm reading about my car,   
   >> curiosity rears its head and I have questions.)   
   >> How come so many cars have a nipple on the fuel rail with which to test   
   >> fuel pressure, but 2005 3.3L Toyotas etc. make one insert a T-connector,   
   >> iiuc underneath the rear seat or just above the gas tank.  And IIUC,   
   >> then you have to remove the T-connector when you're done.  Much harder   
   >> to get to, and both chores are so much more effort than using a nipple   
   >> on the fuel rail.   
   >> Toyota is not usually inconvenient, afaict, so what is going on here?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Oh, and why does the shop manual not include pictures?  It only has   
   >> outline sketches (not even detailed sketches)? I've had Pontiacs and   
   >> Chryslers and I bought the shop manual for my brother's Ford, iow all of   
   >> the Big Three, and every one had much more informative manuals than   
   >> either of my Toyotas'.   
   >> And there is constant reference to toyota-specific test equipment etc.   
   >> Basically, I can't tell a thing from the shop manual and have to rely on   
   >> youtube videos and on webpages. Whereas with American cars, the shop   
   >> manual was all I needed to fix them.   
   >>   
   >> Is it that Toyota manuals are designed only for the mechanic and not for   
   >> anyone without a lot of experience?   
   >> Are all Japanese shop manuals like Toyota's?   
   >> Is this an example of foreigners with an elitist social hierarchy, or at   
   >> least a strict one, unlike America where there is a belief that anyone   
   >> can learn to do anything?   ---  I've exaggerated the American part   
   >> some, but I do seriously intend the general nature of the question.   
   >   
   > Lot's of vehicles out there don't have a test port, not just Toyota.   
   > It's why shops buy master fuel pressure test kits that include a ton of   
   > adapters and you still don't have all of them.   
   >   
   > As for the information, that also depends on the manufacturer, some give   
   > a write up and little visual info while others show just a cartoon like   
   > picture with a simple guide.   
   >   
   > Special tools are a way of life on vehicles. Some can be shop made   
   > others you spend big money on to use them once. ALL vehicles are built   
   > for a mechanic that has experience these days, and the companies want to   
   > keep it even closer, if they could require that only dealers worked on   
   > them they would, and some are that way now (Tesla and Apple both being   
   > examples of those restrictions) They claim everything is intellectual   
   > property and you "buying the car" only means you are buying the use of   
   > the vehicle, not ownership or the ability to repair them. Just like   
   > software companies.   
   >   
      
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