XPost: alt.home.repair   
   From: hidefromu@hushmail.com   
      
   On 2021-09-26 8:28 a.m., micky wrote:   
   > On NextDoor, someone claims a car can be unlocked by stealing the   
   > signal!   
   >   
   > I can't tell if he's talking about the fob that unlocks the door with a   
   > button, or one that just being near the door unlocks the door.   
   >   
   > Another claims this can defeated by putting the keys in a faraday cage,   
   > as if the fob was transmitting all the time.  Or theyre referring to the   
   > fob that doesn't require a key (what is that called?) Isn't the range of   
   > that only a few feet?  Even with the smallest yard, people inside have   
   > their fob farther from their car than that, but someone else claims they   
   > use an amplifier. Well that's back to the battery powered fob that does   
   > nothing unless you push the button.   
   >   
   > Another says that if you used the door lock switch on the door to lock   
   > the car, this can't happen, but if you use the fob to lock the door it   
   > can.  I can see a possible difference in those two methods, but is it   
   > actual/true?   I always lock my car with the door switch just because   
   > it's easier and you can do it befoe the door is shut, but I do often   
   > then use the fob to turn off the headlights without its waiting 30   
   > seconds.   
   >   
   > I don't know if someone who doesn't live in the area and is also signed   
   > up can read a nextdoor thread.  Anyone know?   
   >   
   > I would post the url but Nextdoor said there was one new post and   
   > clicking on that made the thread disappear, so I search on      stealing   
   > the signal     and the last hit was on the word "the"!!!  It was shown   
   > in bold and the other words didn't appear.   
   >   
   >   
   > Also someoene says: I can't tell from posts here how the thieves are   
   > getting into the cars that are parked on the streets. However if you   
   > have one of the keyless entry systems you are vulnerable to what is   
   > called a "relay" attack. There are a couple of variants but the car is   
   > fooled into thinking there is either your legit key nearby when it isn't   
   > or your key actually is nearby and the thief intercepts the signal. In   
   > other words your car can be theoretically unlocked with your keys stored   
   > in your house a modest distance away or when you're walking away from   
   > your car in a parking lot.   
   >   
   > I'm not sure how often each type of breach is occurring. Just because it   
   > CAN happen doesn't mean there's an epidemic. However, if I had keyless   
   > entry and was parking my car on the street I would have my keys stored   
   > in an RF bag or box; they're simple to make.   
   >   
   >    -- this doesn't make sense to me.   
   >   
      
   We have had a rash of break-ins and thefts from locked vehicles in my   
   neighborhood, all the vehicles were newer cars with keyless start.   
      
   One person had doorbell video of it going on.  We now have a nice   
   leather wrapped Faraday cage at the front door that my wife's keys are   
   stored in when she is home.   
      
   https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kz48x/guy-selling-relay-attack-   
   eyless-repeaters-to-steal-cars   
      
   Explains the process quite well.   
      
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