XPost: alt.home.repair   
   From: HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com   
      
   On 9/26/2021 2:08 PM, Idlehands wrote:   
   > On 2021-09-26 8:28 a.m., micky wrote:   
   >> On NextDoor, someone claims a car can be unlocked by stealing the   
   >> signal!   
   >>   
   >> I can't tell if he's talking about the fob that unlocks the door with a   
   >> button, or one that just being near the door unlocks the door.   
   >>   
   >> Another claims this can defeated by putting the keys in a faraday cage,   
   >> as if the fob was transmitting all the time.  Or theyre referring to the   
   >> fob that doesn't require a key (what is that called?) Isn't the range of   
   >> that only a few feet?  Even with the smallest yard, people inside have   
   >> their fob farther from their car than that, but someone else claims they   
   >> use an amplifier. Well that's back to the battery powered fob that does   
   >> nothing unless you push the button.   
   >>   
   >> Another says that if you used the door lock switch on the door to lock   
   >> the car, this can't happen, but if you use the fob to lock the door it   
   >> can.  I can see a possible difference in those two methods, but is it   
   >> actual/true?   I always lock my car with the door switch just because   
   >> it's easier and you can do it befoe the door is shut, but I do often   
   >> then use the fob to turn off the headlights without its waiting 30   
   >> seconds.   
   >>   
   >> I don't know if someone who doesn't live in the area and is also signed   
   >> up can read a nextdoor thread.  Anyone know?   
   >>   
   >> I would post the url but Nextdoor said there was one new post and   
   >> clicking on that made the thread disappear, so I search on        
   stealing   
   >> the signal     and the last hit was on the word "the"!!!  It was shown   
   >> in bold and the other words didn't appear.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Also someoene says: I can't tell from posts here how the thieves are   
   >> getting into the cars that are parked on the streets. However if you   
   >> have one of the keyless entry systems you are vulnerable to what is   
   >> called a "relay" attack. There are a couple of variants but the car is   
   >> fooled into thinking there is either your legit key nearby when it isn't   
   >> or your key actually is nearby and the thief intercepts the signal. In   
   >> other words your car can be theoretically unlocked with your keys stored   
   >> in your house a modest distance away or when you're walking away from   
   >> your car in a parking lot.   
   >>   
   >> I'm not sure how often each type of breach is occurring. Just because it   
   >> CAN happen doesn't mean there's an epidemic. However, if I had keyless   
   >> entry and was parking my car on the street I would have my keys stored   
   >> in an RF bag or box; they're simple to make.   
   >>   
   >>    -- this doesn't make sense to me.   
   >>   
   >   
   > We have had a rash of break-ins and thefts from locked vehicles in my   
   > neighborhood, all the vehicles were newer cars with keyless start.   
   >   
   > One person had doorbell video of it going on.  We now have a nice   
   > leather wrapped Faraday cage at the front door that my wife's keys are   
   > stored in when she is home.   
   >   
   > https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kz48x/guy-selling-relay-attac   
   -keyless-repeaters-to-steal-cars   
   >   
   >   
   > Explains the process quite well.   
   >   
      
   That's why my wife and I both still use anti-theft steering wheel bars.   
   Every time and every place we park.  Thieves are generally not willing   
   to take the time to pick the locks on the bars or try to saw through   
   them and will move to an easier target.  Takes only about 5 seconds for   
   us to unlock the bar and put it on the floor behind the passenger seat.   
      
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