XPost: alt.home.repair   
   From: NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com   
      
   In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 05 Mar 2022 08:25:06 +1100, "Jacob Jones"   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 06:01:22 +1100, micky  wrote:   
   >   
   >> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:26:57 +1100, Xeno   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 4/3/2022 10:13 am, micky wrote:   
   >>>> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones"   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real Bev   
   >>>>>    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in   
   >>>>>>>>> Houston   
   >>>>>>>>> TX  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> micky wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is   
   >>>>>>>>>>> driving   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> for   
   >>>>>>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went   
   >>>>>>>>>>> briefly   
   >>>>>>>>>>> to 5500, the apparent red line.   For several seconds was at   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 5000   
   >>>>>>>>>>> and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> even longer at 4500.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.   
   >>>>>>>>>> It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston   
   >>>>>>>>>> rod   
   >>>>>>>>>> destroying the engine.  I gave it away to a needy person who   
   >>>>>>>>>> installed   
   >>>>>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>>>>> used engine and ended up with a nice car.   
   >>>>>>>>>   So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?   
   >>>>>>>>>   Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would   
   >>>>>>>>> think   
   >>>>>>>>> you   
   >>>>>>>>> came close to the redline even less time than I have!!   
   >>>>>>>>>   This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3.  A rental with only 9000   
   >>>>>>>>> miles on   
   >>>>>>>>> it, so it must be new.   I think I bought the insurance, but   
   >>>>>>>>> regardless,   
   >>>>>>>>> I don't want to hurt the car.    mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than   
   >>>>>>>>> 3rd   
   >>>>>>>>> gear   
   >>>>>>>>> and rely on the brakes for anything more.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached   
   >>>>>>>> his   
   >>>>>>>> lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to   
   >>>>>>>> replace   
   >>>>>>>> than engine and clutch.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes   
   >>>>>>> overheat   
   >>>>>>> and you can't stop.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did   
   >>>>>> my   
   >>>>>> brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted.  Lesson learned.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this Citroen   
   >>>> has   
   >>>> 4-wheel disks.   
   >>>   
   >>> *All* brakes are energy converters hence all brakes can potentially   
   >>> overheat. Brakes, of any type, can only shed heat at a set rate. Exceed   
   >>> the rate of heat input that the brakes can accommodate and you will   
   >>> overheat any kind of brake system.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Which is presumably why micky changed down.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much   
   >>>> less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of the   
   >>>> car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.   
   >>>   
   >>> Change your driving habits!   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of   
   >>>> overheating even drum brakes.   
   >>>   
   >>> I repeat, change your driving habits.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> All he needs to do   
   >>>>> is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red line.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That would have been next to impossible.   Thhe hills show up quickly   
   >>>> and unexpectedly.   
   >>>   
   >>> Once again, change your driving habits. Better still, go take a   
   >>> defensive driving course. Not for your benefit but the benefit of others   
   >>> around you.   
   >>   
   >> You and Jacob can come with me the next time I make this trip, maybe in   
   >> a few days, and then you'll have enough facts to maybe be in a position   
   >> to tell me stuff like this.   
   >   
   >We don't need to. There are no steep descents that don't have   
   >a warning sign so you can change down before descending.   
      
   Do you mean a literal sign, with writing on it?   
      
   Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.   
      
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