XPost: alt.home.repair   
   From: jkj33@gmail.com   
      
   On Sun, 06 Mar 2022 09:12:09 +1100, micky  wrote:   
      
   > In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 05 Mar 2022 08:25:06 +1100, "Jacob Jones"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 06:01:22 +1100, micky    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:26:57 +1100, Xeno   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 4/3/2022 10:13 am, micky wrote:   
   >>>>> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones"   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real Bev   
   >>>>>>    
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F    
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in   
   >>>>>>>>>> Houston   
   >>>>>>>>>> TX  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> micky wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> driving   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> briefly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> to 5500, the apparent red line.   For several seconds was at   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> 5000   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> even longer at 4500.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> piston   
   >>>>>>>>>>> rod   
   >>>>>>>>>>> destroying the engine.  I gave it away to a needy person who   
   >>>>>>>>>>> installed   
   >>>>>>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> used engine and ended up with a nice car.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would   
   >>>>>>>>>> think   
   >>>>>>>>>> you   
   >>>>>>>>>> came close to the redline even less time than I have!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>   This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3.  A rental with only 9000   
   >>>>>>>>>> miles on   
   >>>>>>>>>> it, so it must be new.   I think I bought the insurance, but   
   >>>>>>>>>> regardless,   
   >>>>>>>>>> I don't want to hurt the car.    mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than   
   >>>>>>>>>> 3rd   
   >>>>>>>>>> gear   
   >>>>>>>>>> and rely on the brakes for anything more.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I   
   >>>>>>>>> approached   
   >>>>>>>>> his   
   >>>>>>>>> lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to   
   >>>>>>>>> replace   
   >>>>>>>>> than engine and clutch.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes   
   >>>>>>>> overheat   
   >>>>>>>> and you can't stop.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road --   
   >>>>>>> did   
   >>>>>>> my   
   >>>>>>> brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted.  Lesson learned.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this Citroen   
   >>>>> has   
   >>>>> 4-wheel disks.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> *All* brakes are energy converters hence all brakes can potentially   
   >>>> overheat. Brakes, of any type, can only shed heat at a set rate.   
   >>>> Exceed   
   >>>> the rate of heat input that the brakes can accommodate and you will   
   >>>> overheat any kind of brake system.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Which is presumably why micky changed down.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much   
   >>>>> less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of   
   >>>>> the   
   >>>>> car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Change your driving habits!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of   
   >>>>> overheating even drum brakes.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I repeat, change your driving habits.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> All he needs to do   
   >>>>>> is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red   
   >>>>>> line.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That would have been next to impossible.   Thhe hills show up quickly   
   >>>>> and unexpectedly.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Once again, change your driving habits. Better still, go take a   
   >>>> defensive driving course. Not for your benefit but the benefit of   
   >>>> others   
   >>>> around you.   
   >>>   
   >>> You and Jacob can come with me the next time I make this trip, maybe in   
   >>> a few days, and then you'll have enough facts to maybe be in a position   
   >>> to tell me stuff like this.   
   >>   
   >> We don't need to. There are no steep descents that don't have   
   >> a warning sign so you can change down before descending.   
   >   
   > Do you mean a literal sign, with writing on it?   
      
   In quite a bit of europe, more likely a graphic because they have   
   so many languages.   
      
   > Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.   
      
   Easy to google steep descent signs.   
      
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