XPost: alt.home.repair   
   From: NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com   
      
   In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 06 Mar 2022 10:21:19 +1100, "Jacob Jones"   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Sun, 06 Mar 2022 09:12:09 +1100, micky  wrote:   
   >   
   >> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 05 Mar 2022 08:25:06 +1100, "Jacob Jones"   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 06:01:22 +1100, micky    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:26:57 +1100, Xeno   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 4/3/2022 10:13 am, micky wrote:   
   >>>>>> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones"   
   >>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real Bev   
   >>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Houston   
   >>>>>>>>>>> TX  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> micky wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> driving   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> briefly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> to 5500, the apparent red line.   For several seconds was at   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5000   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> even longer at 4500.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> piston   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> rod   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> destroying the engine.  I gave it away to a needy person who   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> installed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> used engine and ended up with a nice car.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would   
   >>>>>>>>>>> think   
   >>>>>>>>>>> you   
   >>>>>>>>>>> came close to the redline even less time than I have!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3.  A rental with only 9000   
   >>>>>>>>>>> miles on   
   >>>>>>>>>>> it, so it must be new.   I think I bought the insurance, but   
   >>>>>>>>>>> regardless,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to hurt the car.    mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 3rd   
   >>>>>>>>>>> gear   
   >>>>>>>>>>> and rely on the brakes for anything more.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I   
   >>>>>>>>>> approached   
   >>>>>>>>>> his   
   >>>>>>>>>> lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to   
   >>>>>>>>>> replace   
   >>>>>>>>>> than engine and clutch.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes   
   >>>>>>>>> overheat   
   >>>>>>>>> and you can't stop.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road --   
   >>>>>>>> did   
   >>>>>>>> my   
   >>>>>>>> brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted.  Lesson learned.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this Citroen   
   >>>>>> has   
   >>>>>> 4-wheel disks.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> *All* brakes are energy converters hence all brakes can potentially   
   >>>>> overheat. Brakes, of any type, can only shed heat at a set rate.   
   >>>>> Exceed   
   >>>>> the rate of heat input that the brakes can accommodate and you will   
   >>>>> overheat any kind of brake system.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Which is presumably why micky changed down.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much   
   >>>>>> less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of   
   >>>>>> the   
   >>>>>> car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Change your driving habits!   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of   
   >>>>>> overheating even drum brakes.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I repeat, change your driving habits.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> All he needs to do   
   >>>>>>> is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red   
   >>>>>>> line.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That would have been next to impossible.   Thhe hills show up quickly   
   >>>>>> and unexpectedly.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Once again, change your driving habits. Better still, go take a   
   >>>>> defensive driving course. Not for your benefit but the benefit of   
   >>>>> others   
   >>>>> around you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You and Jacob can come with me the next time I make this trip, maybe in   
   >>>> a few days, and then you'll have enough facts to maybe be in a position   
   >>>> to tell me stuff like this.   
   >>>   
   >>> We don't need to. There are no steep descents that don't have   
   >>> a warning sign so you can change down before descending.   
   >>   
   >> Do you mean a literal sign, with writing on it?   
   >   
   >In quite a bit of europe, more likely a graphic because they have   
   >so many languages.   
   >   
   >> Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.   
   >   
   >Easy to google steep descent signs.   
      
   There were no signs.  We don't need no stinkin' signs, or maybe we do   
   but we don't have them where I go.   
      
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