XPost: alt.home.repair   
   From: xenolith@optusnet.com.au   
      
   On 7/3/2022 7:59 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:   
   > On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 18:59:30 +1100, Xeno  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 7/3/2022 4:07 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:   
   >>> On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 15:56:35 +1100, Xeno    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 7/3/2022 2:58 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:   
   >>>>> On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 13:43:49 +1100, Xeno    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 4/3/2022 7:48 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 17:19:58 +1100, Xeno   
   >>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 4/3/2022 9:51 am, Jacob Jones wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Houston   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> TX  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> micky wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is driving the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today, for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went briefly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to 5500, the apparent red line.   For several seconds was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at 5000 and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even longer at 4500.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> piston rod   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> destroying the engine.  I gave it away to a needy person   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who installed a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> used engine and ended up with a nice car.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>  So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>  Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> would think you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> came close to the redline even less time than I have!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>  This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3.  A rental with only   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> 9000 miles on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, so it must be new.   I think I bought the insurance,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> but regardless,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to hurt the car.    mAYBE I shouldnt go lower   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> than 3rd gear   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> and rely on the brakes for anything more.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> approached his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> a lot cheaper to replace than engine and clutch.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> brakes overheat and you can't stop.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> He was right.   
   >>>>>>>>>  No he was not when you change down before there will be any   
   >>>>>>>>> red lining.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your   
   >>>>>>>>>> engine.   
   >>>>>>>>>  But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> That should not be general practice if you care about your   
   >>>>>>>>>> vehicle.   
   >>>>>>>>>  That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> So does driving that saves wear and tear on both brakes and   
   >>>>>>>> clutch. If a driver has a need to brake hard, either way, maybe   
   >>>>>>>> it's time to re-learn how to drive.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>  We aren't talking about braking hard, we are talking how to   
   >>>>>>> descend steep hills.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> No,   
   >>>>>  Fraid so.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> *we* are talking about using engine braking as opposed to using   
   >>>>>> the service brakes. You shouldn't be using the engine to slow down   
   >>>>>> on a hill, that's what the service brakes are for.   
   >>>   
   >>>>>  Wrong with a long steep descent.   
   >>>   
   >>>> You slow down *before* you begin your descent.   
   >>>  What I said long ago.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Once into the descent at an *appropriate speed*, you only use the   
   >>>> service brakes to maintain the rate of descent, the engine braking   
   >>>> taking care of the rest.   
   >   
   >>>  You have that backwards.   
   >   
   >> You don't appear to have it at all.   
   >   
   > You are pathetic.   
   >   
   >>>> It's  obvious you have never driven trucks.   
   >   
   >>>  There you go again, face down in the mud, as always.   
   >   
   >>>  And we aren't discussing trucks, we are discussing a medium sized SUV.   
   >   
   >> Techniques are the same,   
   >   
   > Nope.   
   >   
   >> just way more critical with a fully loaded  truck.   
   >   
   > They aren't critical on a descent which isn't signed   
   > as a steep descent with a modern medium SUV.   
   >   
   >>>>>> What you can, and should,  do is use engine  brakingto maintain a   
   >>>>>> steady speed down a steep hill.   
   >>>   
   >>>>>  Doesn't have to be a steady speed when the slope changes a lot.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Again, that's when you *briefly* apply the service brakes.   
   >   
   >>>  Or change down initially and don't need the brakes if it is a long   
   >>> steep descent.   
   >   
   >> You appear to be somewhat clueless.   
   >   
   > You don't have a fucking clue.   
   >   
   >>>>>> That is the precise scenario where your service brakes can overheat   
   >   
   >>>>>  What I said long ago.   
   >   
   >>>>>> and  that is to be avoided at all costs if brake fade is to be   
   >>>>>> avoided.   
   >>>   
   >>>>>  Whether you get brake faded depends on how long the steep descent   
   >>>>> goes  for.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Whether you get brake fade depends on your approach to the   
   >>>> descent;how  you manage your speed, both when entering and during   
   >>>> the descent.   
   >   
   >>>  But you don't get brake fade with a modern car like that unless it   
   >>> is a long steep descent.   
   >   
   >> Only one thing I can say in response to that - BULLSHIT!   
   >   
   > You are pathetic.   
   >   
   >>>>>> If  needed, should the vehicle still speed up, an occasional   
   >>>>>> application of the service brakes is advised but no more than is   
   >>>>>> required to maintain a steady speed.   
   >   
   >>>>>  No need for a steady speed. Fine if it varies for hairpin bends etc.   
   >   
   >>>> Again, you appear never to have driven trucks or,for that matter,   
   >>>> any  heavy vehicle.   
   >   
   >>>  Then you need new glasses bad and that is irrelevant to   
   >>> your silly line about a constant speed. Only a fool like you   
   >>> would maintain a constant speed in a truck or heavy vehicle,   
   >>> at the speed it has to do the worst hairpin bend at and there   
   >>> is no way to know what speed that will be in advance anyway.   
   >   
   >> You are just trying to confuse the situation.   
   >   
   > You have never had a fucking clue.   
      
      
   You are sounding remarkably like a recreation of Rod Speed   
      
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