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   From: xenolith@optusnet.com.au   
      
   On 16/5/2022 3:45 pm, Andy Burnelli wrote:   
   > Xeno wrote:   
   >   
   >> You are being deliberately disingenuous here!   
   >   
   > I can tell you're getting desperate because you have no defense to facts.   
   > You're acting just like Putin where you accuse me of what _you_ are doing.   
      
   Me? Desperate? You must be joking? FWIW, Putin is a *liar*.   
   >   
   > FACT:   
   > a. I gave you a dozen reliable references; none of which you read.   
   > b. You gave me zero.   
      
   I gave you the one I value most, my direct experience.   
   >   
   > Who is being disingenuous here, Xeno.   
   > a. I backed up my claims with reliable references.   
   > b. You didn't.   
      
   I backed up my claim with reference to what I saw and did whilst working   
   at my trade. My direct experience. Yes, I worked in the industry and   
   have *hands on* experience with warped rotors. I have seen them, I have   
   measured them, I have, where possible, even cleaned them up to   
   serviceable condition. Your *experience* with brakes is limited to hobby   
   repairs at home.   
   >   
   > But you can turn me around on a dime.   
   > I'm easy to convince with facts.   
      
   Um, no you're not. You ignore facts that disagree with yours.   
   >   
   > Just "saying" you measured warp isn't going to work since I've heard people   
   > say that for decades and not one of them ever knew that the temperatures   
   > required would turn a braking system into mush.   
      
   Then you do not understand what goes on in braking systems in the real   
   world. The rotors I have seen and measured did not warp because I gave   
   them a *dark look*.   
   >   
   > Provide me even a _single_ reliable reference that says what you say, which   
   > is that people "think" rotors don't warp and yet they do.   
   > *Find just one*   
      
   A saw with my own eyes and measured with my own hands numerous warped   
   rotors.   
   >   
   > Without even a _single_ reliable reference backing up your claim, it's you   
   > who is being disingenuous. Not me.   
   >   
   > Note: I am well aware you can find a billion bullshit web pages selling new   
   > rotors that will "claim" the rotors warped so find a _reliable_ cite, like   
   > I did, from _experts_ who aren't selling anything but just telling the   
   > facts.   
   >   
   > Remember, a rotor will crack before it will warp.   
      
   Um, not always. I have seen plenty of rotors that were warped with no   
   signs of cracking. I have also seen the converse, cracked rotors with no   
   signs of warpage. It's a *different effect*.   
      
   --   
   Xeno   
      
      
   Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.   
          (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)   
      
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