From: numbers@occult.org
Christopher Hauck wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2002 at 2:19:01 PM UTC-5, C.R. Krieger wrote:
>> "gudmundur" wrote in message
>> news:ut0na8o...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> How could you 'pour in' propane, which is a vapor at atmospheric pressure?
>> Well, first, it's gotta be really *really* cold ...
>> --
>> C.R. Krieger
>> "Don't argue with 'em, dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
> true but I keep seeing people talking about LPG (mostly coleman propane
bottles) instead of the ALSO COLEMAN "camp fuel" that comes in non-cylinder
more like classic boxy metal acetone/paint thinner cans
> I wonder if people can still read anymore as this entire question is based
on two versions of LIQUID fuels that remain liquid until heated or evaporated
INTENTIONALLY
> so obviously the OP got many nonsense replies about a third type of fuel
that does not match his/her question in any sense
> I am glad the smarter people or at least experienced have given helpful and
fully valid answers to the OP
> summery: while white gas by itself is not ideal for running a modern highly
integrated and optimized large ICE as it has no additives to aid in long-term
durability it can be used in emergencies or with smarter cars that offer
things like "flex fuel"
as those cars will adapt to natural deviations in whatever combustible crap
you pour into them
> it also tends to not matter much in "dumber" small engines with four-stroke
designs as those tend to be balanced to match a class of fuels that white gas
is part of and I guess are also much less prone to buildup damage as they are
low-mass engines
with a defined self correcting loop in operation by physical variations in
burn temp and rotor speed
> as for the propane in cars thing yes ANY LPG variant (including
methane/butane/propane) can be used in gasoline type engines as long as it is
properly mixed using a gas-gas carburetor rather than the liquid-gas
carburetor of standard gasoline though
some mild complexity of replacing the liquid-only fuel injector system with a
dual-state injector means older "dumb" engines do best with a simple carb.
swap as they will tend to vary the idle and speed/temp parameters to maintain
optimal burn rate and
power level if only peaking at 50-80% of the original power if you ran on the
designed liquid fuel
> I would be planning for a lot of "dual fuel" type small engines soon as
gasoline is always gonna be harder to synthesize than LPG types and the supply
is still only going down
> I might even get a "car" meant to take an internal "grill tank" in the cabin
to run as my "range extender" in a primarily solar EV with only the range
extender popping out the car to vent the CO from use
> since the sun is gonna outlast all of us and when it dies we will die as a
species and otherwise there are simple processes that can go from grass waste
all the way to propane using only mildly expensive equipment like a cryo-pump
for separation of
feed gases and a few other common things for dealing with gas-gas reactions
like sealed compressors and drying catalysts and the main show of a corona
discharge gas cracking reactor which is just an O2 free ozone generator that
cracks some of the feed
into the product and rejected hydrogen and that being all under 170psi(the
peak for propane storage at room temp) is well within the layman to build and
make some tiny cash selling to the grillmasters and campers around the usa
>
Isn't Coleman (liquid fuel) mostly hexane? Right boiling point, but
terrible octane rating. If you mixed it with ethanol, might work.
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