From: xenolith@optusnet.com.au   
      
   On 28/9/2022 2:11 pm, harry hornsley wrote:   
   > Xeno said:   
   >   
   >> If it has an immobiliser, it will likely have a chip in the fob. I'm   
   >> pretty sure immobilisers have been in vogue since the 2000ish.   
   >   
   > What would I look for in his truck to know if it has an immobilizer?   
   > I've driven it myself.   
   > a. You unlock the doors with the fob.   
   > b. You start the ignition with the ignition key.   
   >   
   > Where's the immobilizer coming into play?   
   > How do I know if it's coming into play?   
   >   
   >   
   >> If he's running a business, why does he not buy a new or newer more   
   >> reliable vehicle rather than one that has had the life beaten out of in   
   >> a *commercial endeavour*?? All the people I know who run a business put   
   >> a *reliable* vehicle above a *cheap* vehicle. It is why the Toyota Hilux   
   >> is the most popular ute out there in *industry*. As a business, you're   
   >> not earning money when your vehicle is off the road getting fixed. The   
   >> older and more clapped out that vehicle is, the more downtime you accrue   
   >> - and the more *customers* lose faith in you. I thought this was a   
   >> common sense thing but it appears common sense might not be as common as   
   >> I thought.   
   >   
   > You say the vehicle is unreliable. I asked him how many times it has broken   
   > down in the past few months he has had it and he said a tire blew out once.   
   >   
   > That's it.   
   > How unreliable is that?   
   >   
   >> There are times when you need concern yourself with the concept of   
   >> throwing good money after bad. If you're running a business, ROI is a   
   >> critical aspect.   
   >   
   > For decades I've heard people making decisions that are just not sensible   
   > such as doing something so that a vehicle when sold has extra value.   
   >   
   > It's a depreciating asset.   
   > It makes no sense to do anything to a depreciating asset simply for the   
   > purpose of maintaining it's resale value in my humblest of opinions.   
   >   
   > At least that is what I was taught when I last took economics decades ago.   
   >   
   >> You are displaying a clear ignorance of *residual value* so pointless   
   >> discussing this particular issue further with you.   
   >   
   > Maybe. But it's a used vehicle. A used vehicle is cheaper BECAUSE it's   
   > used. You take some risk when you buy a used vehicle.   
   >   
   > That's how it works.   
   > You can lecture me all you want about how you would have bought a brand new   
   > vehicle but that doesn't help to answer the questions posed.   
   >   
   >> If you don't have infinite money, and you need a *reliable* vehicle for   
   >> a business, then you *borrow* the money for the purchase and claim the   
   >> repayments against your tax. That's the way all the business people   
   >> operate that I know, to the extent they *lease* their vehicles.   
   >   
   > There is no evidence the vehicle isn't reliable enough for his needs.   
   > If you have infinite money, I get it that you'd buy a new vehicle.   
   > But he doesn't have infinite money. He's barely breaking even.   
   >   
   > Anyway, lectures don't help solve the questions asked, do they?   
   >   
   > I'm hoping the key isn't chipped (as I don't see evidence that it is).   
   > I'm also hoping that if it is chipped, that programming can be done by the   
   > individual like it is with many cars (I've done it for a Toyota).   
   >   
   > I've even removed the immobilizer for a toyota (which was as simple as   
   > pulling out the ignition relay and replacing it with the stock relay).   
   >   
   > But I don't see any overt evidence that it even has an immobilizer.   
   > How would I know?   
      
   Usually a flashing light on the dash somewhere when engine off, key out   
   and away from the ignition key socket. The immobiliser chip is proximity   
   sensitive.   
      
   --   
   Xeno   
      
      
   Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.   
          (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)   
      
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