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   Paul in Houston TX to All   
   Re: One wire alternator question   
   14 May 23 20:42:39   
   
   From: Paul@Houston.Texas   
      
   ðŸ˜Ž Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:   
   > On 5/13/2023 5:51 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:   
   >> 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:   
   >>> On 5/13/2023 9:05 AM, Xeno wrote:   
   >>>> On 13/5/2023 10:11 pm, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:   
   >>>>> On 5/13/2023 7:45 AM, Xeno wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 13/5/2023 9:24 pm, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 5/13/2023 7:09 AM, Xeno wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 12/5/2023 2:08 am, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Xeno  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Then it wouldn't be a single wire alternator, would it? Think   
   >>>>>>>>>> about that   
   >>>>>>>>>> for a moment. Alternators are, typically, 3 phase. That means   
   >>>>>>>>>> 3 +ve   
   >>>>>>>>>> power diodes, 3 -ve power diodes and 3 exciter diodes. If   
   >>>>>>>>>> there is only   
   >>>>>>>>>> one output wire, then all *rectification* and control has to   
   >>>>>>>>>> be on-board.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> When someone says "GM 1-wire alternator" they are talking about   
   >>>>>>>>> a series   
   >>>>>>>>> of alternators introduced in 1970 or so, starting with the   
   >>>>>>>>> Delco 10SI and   
   >>>>>>>>> including some more modern follow-ons.  These alternators use   
   >>>>>>>>> internal   
   >>>>>>>>> rectification and regulation (really just regulating pulses to   
   >>>>>>>>> the field   
   >>>>>>>>> coil) and are very, very foolproof.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Because of this they are frequently retrofitted into older   
   >>>>>>>>> cars. I see   
   >>>>>>>>> them on all sorts of older British cars as part of a conversion   
   >>>>>>>>> to a   
   >>>>>>>>> modern 12V electrical system.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> There isn't much to go wrong other than having the alternator   
   >>>>>>>>> go bad.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> What used to happen to them back in the 70s was that heat and   
   >>>>>>>> vibration would damage the regulator - even with its   
   >>>>>>>> encapsulation. A separate regulator mounted on the inner guard   
   >>>>>>>> or firewall and in the underhood airflow was a much better   
   >>>>>>>> arrangement.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The OP said it can charge the battery to 13.8V, can't you read?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The voltage can get to 13.8 *without* pumping much current.   
   >>>>>> Voltage is *pressure* whereas *current is flow*.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Mind you it is possible that the original poster's problem is   
   >>>>>>>>> that they   
   >>>>>>>>> have a three-wire alernator or an alternator with external   
   >>>>>>>>> mechanical   
   >>>>>>>>> voltage regulator and none of the other wiring is connected.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Not enough detail in the OPs post to really know what's what.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I have already provided full explanation. You are too boneheaded   
   >>>>>>> to understand.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You have provided proof that you haven't a clue.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You don't have the education or practical knowledge to analyze this   
   >>>>> abnormal situation. You still cannot answer the question why the OP   
   >>>>> says there is no apparent DC current from the alternator but it can   
   >>>>> charge the battery to 13.8V when the engine is running.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I don't think you can think. Pity.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It has already been mentioned. It's either high resistance   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> If it has high resistance, and connecting after market [DC] ammeter   
   >>> to the alternator registers cannot detect [DC] current, then it won't   
   >>> be able to charge the battery to 13.8V and next time the battery   
   >>> won't have enough juice to crank the motor. Do you have no brain?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> or a faulty regulator. I'd be checking connections for resistance   
   >>>> and continuity before I condemn the regulator. Testing current with   
   >>>> a load, ie. headlights on, is the usual practice.   
   >>>   
   >>> The OP already said there is no detectable [DC] current from the   
   >>> alternative when the headlights are on. Can't you read?   
   >>>   
   >>>> I used to use a large dummy load, to test alternator and generator   
   >>>> output. I'd also give it a big rev   
   >>>   
   >>> The OP already said "No amperage reading even at 2000 rpm". Can't you   
   >>> read?   
   >>>   
   >>> Remainder of your bullshit snipped. Just answer to above question and   
   >>> you will realize that you are stupid.   
   >>   
   >> The op never said that the alt would charge the batt to 13.8v.   
   >   
   > Then find your reading glasses and read again.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> The op never said what kind of ammeter or voltmeter.   
   >   
   >   
   > The OP said the external ammeter corroborates with the car's dashboard   
   > ammeter. Can't you read?   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> A $10 ammeter would likely not show milliamps.   
   >>   
   >   
   > NO car ammeter deals with milliamp. Do you have a brain?   
   >   
      
   You obviously have no knowledge of basic electricity or electronics and   
   are just a troll.   
   By the way, there are no germanium power rectifiers.   
      
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