From: njnagel@roosters.net   
      
   On 07/19/2013 03:55 PM, James Silverton wrote:   
   > On 7/19/2013 2:38 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:   
   >> On 07/19/2013 12:12 PM, James Silverton wrote:   
   >>> On 7/18/2013 10:14 PM, richard wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:10:24 -0700 (PDT), necromancer wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:33:15 AM UTC-4, James Silverton wrote:   
   >>>>>> Has anyone experience of using those expensive cans of spray-on   
   >>>>>> paint to   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> foil roadside cameras?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> IIRC, Mythbusters debunked this one...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> they did. I saw the show a few times and if anything, the stuff   
   >>>> actually   
   >>>> made the plates show up better.   
   >>>> the best way to hide the plates is to have a flip plate.   
   >>>> anytime you go through a TLC intersection, flip a swith and the plate   
   >>>> changes to a temporary tag or one of those specialty gag plates.   
   >>>> a minute later it flips back.   
   >>>>   
   >>> I guess I'll have keep on making careful note of where the speed cameras   
   >>> are. They move the damn things around unfortunately.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Check out radardetectorforum.org specifically the "passive   
   >> countermeasures" forum.   
   >>   
   >> Most of the sprays are just useless.  There is apparently a product   
   >> called "Laser Veil" that does provide some benefit, but the drawback is   
   >> that it must be applied to both the license plate and any forward facing   
   >> lights, and it's a) tinted (undesirable, because it looks like you've   
   >> applied something, and also reduces the output of your lights) and b)   
   >> can be washed off by alcohol, which means that if you have headlight   
   >> squirters it'll ruin your application eventually.   
   >>   
   >> Additionally, it doesn't completely prevent a laser speed gun from   
   >> getting your speed, it just buys you an extra second or so before it can   
   >> lock.   
   >>   
   >> I see from your .sig that you're in MD, my best advice would be to run   
   >> Waze or Trapster on your smart phone to alert you to the location of   
   >> fixed cameras, and just try not to speed.  I know, it's hard with some   
   >> of the SLs in the metro DC area but there is no real defense against a   
   >> cop with a handheld laser gun other than an active jammer.   
   >>   
   >> You could also run a good radar detector with laser detection   
   >> capabilities like a V1, but honestly the laser detection just tells you   
   >> that you've been nailed because of the nature of laser; even the best   
   >> detectors will only alert a fraction of a second before the speed gun   
   >> locks onto you.  That isn't legal in DC or VA (and neither is a laser   
   >> jammer) though as I'm sure you know.  The main use for that is to alert   
   >> you to the location of the cameras while you're driving legally so when   
   >> you drive the same roads again you'll be vigilant of your speed whether   
   >> or not Waze alerts you - it won't save you from a ticket.   
   >>   
   >> I'm assuming that everyone knows that radar jammers are illegal   
   >> everywhere in the US, although to the best of my knowledge all the speed   
   >> cameras in MD are laser not radar.   
   >>   
   > I'm usually fairly cautious but I've been caught three times in the past   
   > two years by automatic cameras, which often appear on the squeaky wheel   
   > principle. These are more of a mildly costly nuisance ($40, no points)   
   > but, so far, the radar gun cops have not caught me in this period.   
      
   Definitely try out Waze then...   
      
   unfortunately, the usual response to "people are speeeeeeeding!" anymore   
   doesn't seem to be a rational discussion of whether perhaps the speed   
   limit is too low, it just prompts the installation of a camera.   
      
   nate   
      
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