On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:32:13 AM UTC-4, Nate Nagel wrote:   
   > On 10/24/2013 04:28 PM, .com wrote:   
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   > > On Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:02:43 PM UTC-4, Harry K wrote:   
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   > >> On Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:44:53 AM UTC-7, thekma...@gmail.com   
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   > >>> I'm sure there's at least one within ten miles of where most of   
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   > >>> us RADs live, where two or more left lanes(or right) are reserved   
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   > >>> for turning actions.   Some are lined-mostly short dashes,   
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   > >>> through the turn, most are not marked.   
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   > >>> How exactly does one navigate these without p/o'ing fellow   
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   > >>> drivers, and how do you handle the occasional   
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   > >>> "mid-turn-lane-changer"?   
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   > >> General rule is turn into the lane that corresponds to the lane you   
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   > >> are coming form   
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   > >> "mid-turn-lane-changer" is violating the law - shoot him :)   
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   > >> Harry K   
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   > > ______________________   
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   > > LOL!   
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   > > Yeah, in most cases around where I live, if there are two turn lanes   
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   > > at an intersection there are two corresponding lanes on the road they   
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   > > turn onto.   
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   > > If I'm in front in an outside left-turn lane, I'll usually just gun   
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   > > into the left turn to prevent the inside-left-turner from trying to   
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   > > come over(which I've experienced too many times).   
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   > > Multiple rights(as I posted)?  Rarer than hen's teeth at least in my   
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   > > If I'm a car or two behind the leader in the outside left, I'll   
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   > > usually follow the car in front of me verrrry close - as in, cannot   
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   > > even see his license plate close! - so that the suitcases in the   
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   > > inside-left can't sneak over even if they tried.  :)   
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   > Odd, the usual multiple-left-turn failures that I see (and we have a lot   
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   > of double left turn lanes around here, so this is sadly common) are from   
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   > a driver in either lane simply turning in too early.  Either the guy in   
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   > the outside lane will pinch the guy in the inside lane, or the guy in   
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   > the inside lane will realize when he's most of the way through his turn   
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   > that he needs to slow and turn more sharply or else run wide into the   
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   > right lane on the cross street.   
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   > The "right way" to do it is to visualize a quarter circle arc from the   
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   > lane you're in to the lane you're going to end up in (leftmost lane if   
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   > you're in the inside lane, next one to the right for the outside lane)   
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   > ending at wherever the "intersection" turns into just plain old "road."   
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   >   If you draw it out on paper you will see that that means possibly   
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   > going perfectly straight across a couple lanes of cross traffic that's   
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   > going from your left to right - but try following that line, or if   
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   > you're familiar with  racing lines and apexes etc. modify it slightly,   
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   > just remember that early apexing will kill you not only on the track but   
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   > when making slow speed turns on the street.  I never pinch the guy in   
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   > the inside lane, and (if I do it right) I never have to slow and make a   
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   > correction to keep from running wide.  I'm on the power and down the   
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   > road while the guy that turned in early is behind me :)  And there's   
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   > nothing that pisses off the average driver more than seeing the guy   
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   > who's apparently driving slowly (but smoothly) somehow magically end up   
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   > in front of him!   
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   > I tend to just stick with the quarter circle line and stay in the middle   
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   > of my imaginary "lane" - using a more racing type line I'd end up going   
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   > out-in-out and more often than not another driver's trying to occupy   
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   > part of my "lane" anyway so it's not worth the potential risk to get my   
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   > exit speed up by some fraction of a MPH.   
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   > Now, the question is, how do you convince other people that this is the   
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   > right way to do it, even though you know deep down inside that it   
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   > actually works and works well?  *shrug* set a good example I guess and   
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   > drive well consistently.  Doesn't really work, but it's the best idea I   
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   > is vanishingly rare.)   
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   > When this *doesn't* work is the rare case that the road you're on has   
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   > the same number of lanes but is substantially wider than the road you're   
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   > turning onto - because the road you're on has a wider median, or has   
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   > turn lanes where the road you're turning onto doesn't - in that case you   
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   > may have to deviate from the "ideal" line to keep from interfering with   
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   > oncoming left turning traffic, turn in a little earlier and make a   
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   > shallower turn with a sharper correction at the end.   
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   > Then, of course, you have the morons that just turn into the wrong lane   
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   > altogether... or the guy RTORing onto a 3+ lane street while you have a   
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   > left turn arrow that gets all flustered because he can't figure out that   
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   > he needs to stay in the right lane and then change to the left once he's   
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   > out of the intersection area, and can't just turn into any damn lane he   
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   > nate   
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   So would you suggest Nate that some of the intrusions I've experienced by   
   inner-lefties into my outer left lane might have been unintentional/mistakes?   
      
   I could see that, based upon your explanation.   
      
   I also thing that BGE mirror settings would be of assistance in such scenarios.   
      
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