From: tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com   
      
   On 2013-12-20, Alan Baker  wrote:   
   > On 2013-12-19 02:20:20 +0000, Brent said:   
   >   
   >>>>>>> Sorry, but I don't put my safety into the hands of others when I can   
   >>>>>>> possibly avoid it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Most lazy drivers are just lazy, not suicidal. Thus not showing them a   
   >>>>>> reaction prevents them from doing what would bring about a collision.   
   >>>>>> When I stopped having any reaction they could see, the less idiocy they   
   >>>>>> did.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So you think the best way to ensure your safety is to HOPE the other   
   >>>>> driver doesn't get it wrong?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There's no hope involved. I am fully aware of him and ready to take   
   >>>> action to avoid him. I just don't let him know it,doing so is an   
   >>>> engraved invitation for him to cut me off from his POV.   
   >>>   
   >>> Pre-emptive action to avoid a threat is better than reaction...   
   >>> ...sorry, but it just is.   
   >>   
   >> Then you think you're safe and the asshat decides since you made way   
   >> for him once you'll do it twice. Ever see someone about to turn out on   
   >   
   > Your thesis is that the "asshat" is oblivious to my presence, so that   
   > won't wash.   
      
   Re-read. I never stated that. Most of them are simply lazy. They see   
   someone flinch and then they know they have an invite to be lazy.   
      
   >> a road so you slow down and then they wait and they wait and you're   
   >> about 5 feet from them and they pull out? Know how I reduced that? I   
   >> stopped taking "pre-emptive action". Stopped giving these lazy asshats   
   >> a tell. Same thing when they are merging. I move over for one of these   
   >> people and guess what happens next? They decide the right lane isn't   
   >> good enough for them and since I accomodated them once.... They just   
   >> plow into the next lane to the left.   
      
   > That's possible, but irrelevant. Leaving yourself in the right lane   
   > with people you describe as "asshats" merging into it and leaving it to   
   > them to avoid you places you at greater risk.   
      
   Lazy asshats do not avoid. They try to force the labor of driving on to   
   others, they try to force other people to change course and speed to   
   avoid them such that they don't have to put in effort to drive.   
      
   > By your reasoning, there's no point in opening an adequate following   
   > distance, because an "asshat" will just fill it.   
      
   Huh? is this your create-strawmen reponse?   
      
      
   >>>>>>> That's why I'll move one lane to the left if there is anyone whose   
   >>>>>>> entry to the highway could potentially cause me trouble.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> IME those who move over largely put their safety in the hands of the   
   >>>>>> drivers already there and passing. Also moving over a lane just   
   >>>>>> encourages the idiot to merge two lanes in IME. He wants to be in the   
   >>>>>> left lane anyway and by moving over I showed that I see him and would   
   >>>>>> accomodate him so he cuts in front of me.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I find it hilarious that on the one hand you'll insist that I needn't   
   >>>>> move over because you have such faith in the other driver who's merging   
   >>>>> into my lane...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I don't and it's hilarious you think I do.   
   >>   
   >>> You do:   
   >>> "Most lazy drivers are just lazy, not suicidal."   
   >>   
   >> That's not faith in them. They are still lazy asshats. By not catering   
   >> to them they are much less likely to give me problems.   
      
   > Only if you believe that your behaviour will change their in the long run...   
   > ...IOW, you ARE trying to teach them a lesson, just as I thought.   
      
   There's no lesson to teach. I just don't cater to their laziness.   
   You're trying to phrase this in a way that sounds bad. There's no   
   lesson being taught, I'm not going to drive wrongly because they are.   
   Two wrongs do not make a right. If that's the way you can think, only   
   in standard phrases, that's the one that fits here.   
      
   > I don't CARE about the long run when I'm approaching an on ramp and I   
   > see a potential conflict with someone about to merge onto the highway.   
   > My concern at that moment is for what is the safest place for me to be.   
      
   And fuck the other drivers on the road. Make the guy in the lane you're   
   moving into avoid you. Make him move over a lane... which makes the   
   next guy move over... until there's no further moving over. Until the   
   brake wave begins.   
      
   > By looking well ahead and anticipating potential conflicts, I put   
   > myself where it is safest to be. If that happens to be the left lane   
   > when there is no one whom I need to pass, so be it.   
      
   I'll move over when the lane is perfectly clear but not when it's going   
   to result in me pinned behind slower traffic or imposes on another   
   driver.   
      
      
   >>>>> ...while not also applying the same faith to me in my lane change,   
   >>>>> which is by its nature taking place between vehicles moving at a very   
   >>>>> similar speed; something which too often cannot be said about the   
   >>>>> person merging into highway traffic.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I didn't put any faith or lack there of in your lane change. However   
   >>>> I also have to watch the ramps if I am in the 2nd lane from the right   
   >>>> because drivers who make way for mergers usually demand others make way   
   >>>> for their merges and lane changes too. Speed usually doesn't matter and   
   >>>> these idiots usually are braking as they move over to let the merger in.   
   >>   
   >>> Then they've moved over far too late.   
   >>   
   >> I still have to avoid them... and they haven't bothered to use mirrors   
   >> or signal just like those they are making way for.   
   >   
   > What others MIGHT be doing has nothing to do with what I AM doing.   
      
   It's how what you advocate is practiced in the real world by most who   
   practice it IME.   
      
      
   >>>> My view is that fundamentally the north american driver is a lazy fuck   
   >>>> who doesn't want to put any effort into driving. If I show them I will   
   >>>> cater to their laziness, they will take full advantage of it, putting   
   >>>> my safety at risk. Thus I do not.Ever see a left turn conga line? When   
   >>>> does it stop? With a left turner who isn't an asshole or someone going   
   >>>> straight from the other side has the balls to just go. These lazy   
   >>>> jackasses take as much as they think they can get. Until someone doesn't   
   >>>> cater to them.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yup. I get it. You want to teach people a lesson.   
   >>> I want to get through traffic as safely as possible.   
   >>   
   >> No I want to get where I am going safely and efficiently. People like   
   >> that are incapable of learning a lesson and not worth my time to teach   
   >> them one. I just go and they stop like they are supposed to. They   
   >> know what they are supposed to do, they just won't do it if they don't   
   >> have to. They want to push the work and delays on to others. All   
   >> you are doing is breeding more of these lazy drivers by catering to   
   >> them. You are building their sense of entitlement. You're   
   >> enabling them. It just keeps getting worse.   
   >   
      
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