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   In article <280220141603013993%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner   
    wrote:   
      
   > > > > when someone can renew a license online without any driving test   
   > > > > whatsoever, you have a problem.   
   > > >   
   > > > It's been my experience that renewal of unexpired drivers licenses have   
   > > > never required a driving or written test, but may require hearing   
   > > > and/or vision tests.   
   > >   
   > > they do vision tests, but that doesn't mean someone is still competent   
   > > to drive.   
   > >   
   > > how about giving people actual road tests to renew, and more than just   
   > > a cursory drive around the block. if they fail, no renewal.   
   >   
   > I was pointing out that renewing without taking another driving test is   
   > not new, and has nothing to do with the internet.   
      
   and i'm pointing out that not testing people for the very skill the   
   license is supposed to represent is dumb.   
      
   renewing should require a driving test to be sure the driver is   
   actually competent.   
      
   > > > Here in Arizona, the state recognized that fact, so drivers licenses   
   > > > expire at age 65, with the fee depending on the driver's age.  At age   
   > > > 65, and every five years afterwards, you have to renew, so they can   
   > > > give you a vision and audio test.   
   > >   
   > > from what i know of arizona, you don't need to renew a license until   
   > > 65, which means it lasts for roughly 40 years.   
   >   
   > That's what I said.   
      
   not in a way that's clear to those unfamiliar with arizona where you   
   get a 40 year license.   
      
   to those accustomed to renewing every 4-5 years, as is typical   
   everywhere else, 'expiring at age 65' would mean 'if you renew at 62   
   you only get 3 years this time'.   
      
   > > that's just fucked up.   
   >   
   > How does that differ from going to the DMV, paying them, and getting a   
   > new license, without any additional testing?  It's no more fucked up   
   > than other states, but it certainly cuts down on waiting times at the   
   > DMV.   
      
   it differs because they test your vision when you go there.   
      
   almost nobody's vision remains the same for 40 years.   
      
   at *some* point, they're going to need corrective lenses, and all it   
   takes is testing past 20/40 to require that for driving, which isn't   
   much.   
      
   it could even change in 5-10 years, nevermind 40 years.   
      
   that means there's an exceptionally high likelihood that a significant   
   number of drivers in arizona are driving without corrective lenses they   
   need.   
      
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