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   In article , Arif Khokar   
    wrote:   
   > On 03/01/2014 03:13 PM, Liam O'Connor wrote:   
   > > On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 18:19:51 +1300, Your Name wrote:   
   > >   
   > >> I don't quite understand what this means. If the Stop sign is in the   
   > >> culdesac where it meets a busier road, then of course there should be a   
   > >> Stop sign, or a perhaps a Give Way sign for a less busy road. Again   
   > >> it's for the safety of both the people leaving the culdesac and the   
   > >> users of the other road.   
   > >   
   > > Take a look at my example in Google Maps (street view).   
   > > It's a tiny culdesac (10 houses) connecting to a minor   
   > > road. There is no way the traffic from those 10 houses   
   > > needs a stop sign on the road it connects to. It's   
   > > impossible, from a data standpoint.   
   > >   
   > > The only (logical) explanation is that the stop sign   
   > > is there for some other reason, which, it's clear (to me),   
   > > is to inconvenience traffic so that they don't use that   
   > > road instead of the expressway a thousand feet away.   
   > >   
   > > But, if they wanted to slow down traffic, they should do   
   > > so with legal means (e.g., speed limit signs, speed bumps,   
   > > traffic quieting markings, etc.).   
   >   
   > The correct way to do this is to commission a traffic and engineering   
   > study for the location in question.  Regarding the stop sign, a better   
   > approach regarding getting rid of it is to find out whether such a study   
   > exists for the intersection in question.  You can request a copy of the   
   > study from the appropriate department of the local government that has   
   > jurisdiction.   
   >   
   > I'm not sure about the laws in California, but they probably have a law   
   > that says that all traffic control signage/markings must comply with the   
   > Federal or state MUTCD (Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices) and   
   > that a study must be on file before putting up new signs.   
   >   
   > If there's no study on file, then you could request that stop sign be   
   > removed.   
      
   You can "request" all you like, but one's person's silly opinion isn't   
   going to make the slightest bit of difference (unless the Stop sign is   
   stuck in the middle of their driveway or something). At best you'd need   
   a petition signed by numerous legitimate people, and even then there's   
   nothing to say that won't be rejected / ignored as well.   
      
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