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   XPost: misc.legal, ca.driving, ba.transportation   
   From: scharf.steven@geemail.com   
      
   On 3/6/2014 3:40 PM, Liam O'Connor wrote:   
      
   > But, such misuse is precisely why the MUTCD says not to misuse   
   > STOP signs.   
      
   Right, they say to not misuse them. But it's not illegal for a city to   
   misuse them.   
      
   > Nobody who knows anything about the purpose of STOP signs   
   > would treat them with anything other than sheer disdain.   
      
   I would obey them because the alternative is worse. Fighting a ticket is   
   almost always a hopeless endeavor no matter how sure you are that you   
   are right. Telling a judge "yes I ran the stop sign but the MUTCD says   
   not to misuse stop signs and I feel that this installation is misusing   
   them" would not be successful.   
      
   > The question is what do I do to get them removed?   
      
   I know only of instances where residents lobbied to have stop signs   
   installed, and it required the collection of signatures of those on the   
   affected streets, then a study of the impact and need for the stop sign.   
   Later they removed it because they reconfigured the problem area making   
   a street one-way, and eliminating the need for the sign.   
      
   I would ask the Campbell Public Works director what the procedure is to   
   try to install new, or remove existing, traffic control devices. But   
   it's extremely hard to get a stop sign removed, even when it's no longer   
   needed. City councils feel that if they remove a stop sign and then   
   there's a serious accident at the intersection, that the city will have   
   liability.   
      
   I used to live in Campbell and still own property there. Campbell is one   
   of the better smaller cities in terms of responsiveness to resident's   
   concerns. The police are also pretty good compared to cities like   
   Cupertino and Saratoga that lack their own police departments.   
      
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