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From: tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com
On 2014-03-11, Your Name wrote:
> In article , Brent
> wrote:
>> On 2014-03-11, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> > On 2014-03-11, Brent wrote:
>> >> On 2014-03-11, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> >>> On 2014-03-11, Lewis wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If you drive 55mph where the flow of traffic is 70mph then *you* are
>> >>>> a hazard. Many of those idiots you see are trying to avoid an
>> >>>> un-anticipated impediment.
>> >>>
>> >>> Depends very much on the circumstance. What if the speed limit is 55?
>> >>> What if there are multiple flows of traffic - some obeying the speed
>> >>> limit, and others not? Very often, I'll be driving with cruise
>> >>> control set to 55-60 in the middle lane of a 3-lane highway where the
>> >>> posted speed limit is 55, where most of the cars around me are doing
>> >>> similar speeds (again, around 55-60), and a group of cars (usually
>> >>> anywhere from 2 to 6 cars) will come up from behind driving
>> >>> significantly faster than 55 (sometimes 15-25 miles faster (yes:
>> >>> 75-85 mph in a 55), speeding much faster than the traffic around me),
>> >>> usually with one or two idiots leading the pack in some sort of
>> >>> apparent race to see who can get wherever faster. Inevitably one or
>> >>> more drivers in the speeding group gets upset that the drivers in my
>> >>> group are "in their way", usually in various lanes (almost never just
>> >>> the left lane), and start tailgating and using aggressive and fast
>> >>> lane switching maneuvers in all three lanes, often making
>> >>> double-lane-switches without signalling within a few feet of other
>> >>> cars and pulling other dangerous stunts to get past these "slow"
>> >>> drivers that are imposing such an inconvenience on their little
>> >>> racing game as quickly as possible, safety be damned. In such a
>> >>> situation, I'd typically like to gradually decrease my speed, and
>> >>> make safe lane changes to the right to get as far away from the
>> >>> idiots as possible, if and when such opportunities safely become
>> >>> available. Unfortunately, very often, due to the tailgating
>> >>> aggressive behavior of the speeding group, there isn't a good
>> >>> opportunity to do that until *after* they've finished making their
>> >>> dangerous maneuvers and sped on past. I'm probably one of the last
>> >>> people who will just gleefully increase my speed to match the speed
>> >>> of the idiot group when I see them coming in my rear view mirror -
>> >>> especially if I'm not in the passing lane and I'm already at or
>> >>> exceeding the posted limit, and the cars around me are doing the same
>> >>> speed as me. Nor am I going to quickly or dangerously make lane
>> >>> changes just to get out of their way to make their dangerous behavior
>> >>> easier for them to continue. Safety comes first, and I naturally
>> >>> value the safety of the well-behaved drivers around me more than
>> >>> speeding jackasses. BTW, this isn't a cherry-picked example situation
>> >>> - it happens *all* *the* *time* on American highways.
>> >>
>> >> What happens on grossly underposted limited access highways is that
>> >> drivers like Jolly here form packs that impede flow.
>> >
>> > I'd like to understand your logic better. Are you suggesting that every
>> > 55 MPH highway in America us grossly under posted, or just the ones on
>> > which I personally travel? Are you suggesting that those exceeding
>> > posted speed limits do not form packs? Also, how do you know the road
>> > conditions of the highways I typically travel? Are you secretly
>> > following me, or do you have telepathy and know which highways I travel?
>> > Please explain.
>>
>> Your opinion of the PSL is irrelevant. You unwittingly described the
>> conditions of a grossly underposted limited access highway. The
>> condition you describe does not happen where the road and PSL match
>> well.
>>
>> >> Faster drivers then go from pack to pack, neededing to find a way
>> >> through each pack, often doing a Claybrook weave.
>>
>> > So the dangerous behavior I describe above is necessary in your view?
>> > Strange. Do you prioritize speed over safety?
>>
>> Seems in your opinion dangerous is going faster than you.
> Speed limit signs are not a "target" to get to nor a exact figure you
> must drive at. The signs are advising the MAXIMUM speed in IDEAL
> CONDITIONS, but various factors means driving slower than that may
> indeed be safer.
LOL! Speed limits on limited access highways are largely determined by
social/political opinion and revenue desires.
For instance, I-294 in Illinois is posted at 55mph. In good weather at
the right time of day in appropiate sections in capable car I estimate
that the maximum safe speed is somewhere around 120mph or more.
>> >> When 55mph was imposed Claybrook stated it
>> >> was safer to force faster drivers to slow down and weave through
>> >> blockages of slow drivers who can't be bothered to keep right except to
>> >> pass.
>>
>> > Experience shows it is the idiots described above who can't be bothered
>> > to keep right. They stay firmly implanted in the left lane, expecting
>> > every other drive on the fucking planet to get out of their way,
>> > regardless of posted speed limits or safety implications.
>>
>> Wasn't it you that was complaining earlier they passed on the right?
>> Anyway, keep right except to pass. You shouldn't have to get out of
>> their way because you shouldn't have been in their way in the first
>> place.
> In some places it's necessary to be in the "wrong" lane because that's
> the one you need for the exit or continuation of your jopurney. Trying
> to shove your way into the lane at the last minute is stupid.
Special cases are few and far between, a tiny tiny fraction of the miles
of highway.
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