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   From: tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com   
      
   On 2014-03-12, Jolly Roger  wrote:   
   > On 2014-03-12, Brent  wrote:   
   >> On 2014-03-12, Jolly Roger  wrote:   
   >>> On 2014-03-12, Brent  wrote:   
   >>>> On 2014-03-12, Jolly Roger  wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2014-03-11, Brent  wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2014-03-11, Jolly Roger  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2014-03-11, Brent  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2014-03-11, Jolly Roger  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 2014-03-11, Lewis  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> If you drive 55mph where the flow of traffic is 70mph then   
   >>>>>>>>>> *you* are a hazard. Many of those idiots you see are trying to   
   >>>>>>>>>> avoid an un-anticipated impediment.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Depends very much on the circumstance. What if the speed limit   
   >>>>>>>>> is 55?  What if there are multiple flows of traffic - some   
   >>>>>>>>> obeying the speed limit, and others not? Very often, I'll be   
   >>>>>>>>> driving with cruise control set to 55-60 in the middle lane of   
   >>>>>>>>> a 3-lane highway where the posted speed limit is 55, where most   
   >>>>>>>>> of the cars around me are doing similar speeds (again, around   
   >>>>>>>>> 55-60), and a group of cars (usually anywhere from 2 to 6 cars)   
   >>>>>>>>> will come up from behind driving significantly faster than 55   
   >>>>>>>>> (sometimes 15-25 miles faster (yes: 75-85 mph in a 55),   
   >>>>>>>>> speeding much faster than the traffic around me), usually with   
   >>>>>>>>> one or two idiots leading the pack in some sort of apparent   
   >>>>>>>>> race to see who can get wherever faster. Inevitably one or more   
   >>>>>>>>> drivers in the speeding group gets upset that the drivers in my   
   >>>>>>>>> group are "in their way", usually in various lanes (almost   
   >>>>>>>>> never just the left lane), and start tailgating and using   
   >>>>>>>>> aggressive and fast lane switching maneuvers in all three   
   >>>>>>>>> lanes, often making double-lane-switches without signalling   
   >>>>>>>>> within a few feet of other cars and pulling other dangerous   
   >>>>>>>>> stunts to get past these "slow" drivers that are imposing such   
   >>>>>>>>> an inconvenience on their little racing game as quickly as   
   >>>>>>>>> possible, safety be damned. In such a situation, I'd typically   
   >>>>>>>>> like to gradually decrease my speed, and make safe lane changes   
   >>>>>>>>> to the right to get as far away from the idiots as possible, if   
   >>>>>>>>> and when such opportunities safely become available.   
   >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, very often, due to the tailgating aggressive   
   >>>>>>>>> behavior of the speeding group, there isn't a good opportunity   
   >>>>>>>>> to do that until *after* they've finished making their   
   >>>>>>>>> dangerous maneuvers and sped on past. I'm probably one of the   
   >>>>>>>>> last people who will just gleefully increase my speed to match   
   >>>>>>>>> the speed of the idiot group when I see them coming in my rear   
   >>>>>>>>> view mirror - especially if I'm not in the passing lane and I'm   
   >>>>>>>>> already at or exceeding the posted limit, and the cars around   
   >>>>>>>>> me are doing the same speed as me. Nor am I going to quickly or   
   >>>>>>>>> dangerously make lane changes just to get out of their way to   
   >>>>>>>>> make their dangerous behavior easier for them to continue.   
   >>>>>>>>> Safety comes first, and I naturally value the safety of the   
   >>>>>>>>> well-behaved drivers around me more than speeding jackasses.   
   >>>>>>>>> BTW, this isn't a cherry-picked example situation - it happens   
   >>>>>>>>> *all* *the* *time* on American highways.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> What happens on grossly underposted limited access highways is   
   >>>>>>>> that drivers like Jolly here form packs that impede flow.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I'd like to understand your logic better. Are you suggesting that   
   >>>>>>> every 55 MPH highway in America us grossly under posted, or just   
   >>>>>>> the ones on which I personally travel? Are you suggesting that   
   >>>>>>> those exceeding posted speed limits do not form packs? Also, how   
   >>>>>>> do you know the road conditions of the highways I typically   
   >>>>>>> travel? Are you secretly following me, or do you have telepathy   
   >>>>>>> and know which highways I travel?  Please explain.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Your opinion of the PSL is irrelevant. You unwittingly described   
   >>>>>> the conditions of a grossly underposted limited access highway.   
   >>>>>> The condition you describe does not happen where the road and PSL   
   >>>>>> match well.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Seems like you are saying the mere fact that people speed is an   
   >>>>> indication that speed limits are under what they should be. Is that   
   >>>>> what you mean?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Look up the 85th percentile method in your spare time.   
   >>>   
   >>> A simple yes or no would suffice. I'll take that as a yes unless you   
   >>> state otherwise.   
   >>   
   >> Seems like you are saying the mere fact that people put a number on a   
   >> sign means that is the absolute maximum speed, is that what you mean?   
   >   
   > No, I'm asking you a question, and you are dodging the answer.   
      
   You got your answer. Have you stopped beating little children? A yes or   
   no would suffice.   
      
   >>>>>>>> Faster drivers then go from pack to pack, neededing to find a   
   >>>>>>>> way through each pack, often doing a Claybrook weave.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> So the dangerous behavior I describe above is necessary in your   
   >>>>>>> view?  Strange. Do you prioritize speed over safety?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Seems in your opinion dangerous is going faster than you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Anyone with an average IQ can see that I described many behaviors   
   >>>>> besides just going faster than the posted speed limit above. I   
   >>>>> disapprove of all of the dangerous behaviors I describe above.   
   >>>>> Trying to ignore the rest to prove a point is only going to make   
   >>>>> you look foolish, as if you have no real argument. Wanna try again?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Again, if you kept right except to pass they would simply pass you   
   >>>> by on the left.   
   >>   
   >>> Oh, if only life were that simple. No, even when you are in the right   
   >>> lane, someone may cut in front of you at a dangerous distance, or   
   >>> tail gate you to try to push you to go faster so thy can get around   
   >>> someone in the middle lane. There are all sorts of dangers that   
   >>> driving like a fast and furious fan presents, and none of them are   
   >>> the fault of the people who are driving safely. It really does seem   
   >>> like you want to blame everything on the people who *aren't* acting   
   >>> like complete idiots.   
   >>   
   >> Again, keep right except to pass.   
   >   
   > I and lots of others do just that - and yet the problem remains. Imagine   
   > that.   
      
      
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