From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 12:01:11 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2014-12-09 02:11:20 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   >   
   > > On Monday, December 8, 2014 7:22:17 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >> On 2014-12-08 20:59:42 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   > >>   
   > >>> On Monday, December 8, 2014 10:01:28 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >>>> On 2014-12-08 08:46:35 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   Philosopher said:   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:56:05 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote:   
   > >>>>>> In every country in the world, the first thing people want as they   
   > >>>>>> come up out of the mud is personal transportation.   Even in China,   
   > >>>>>> with cities far bigger then most, and with plenty of public   
   > >>>>>> transportation of one sort or another, the people still hunger for   
   > >>>>>> personal transportation.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Right, and because of it they are choking in pollution and the world is   
   > >>>>> looking into the abyss of irreversible climate change.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> And they are sitting in endless traffic jams as well, so they are not   
   > >>>>> getting fast anywhere.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> And if they were actually "not getting fast anywhere [sic]"...   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> ...they wouldn't be doing it.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Think of the word trolley. Have they ever been fast?   
   > >>   
   > >> How is that relevant?   
   > >>   
   > >> Fact: you're trying to say that driving is futile because there are   
   > >> traffic jams.   
   > >>   
   > >> Clearly, the people with the most experience of the situation disagree...   
   > >>   
   > >> ...because they are CHOOSING to use their cars.   
   > >   
   > > Do they have a choice?   
   >   
   > Yes.   
      
   A choice of one? You could give me two at least, right?   
      
   >   
   > Right now, as things stand today, most people who you claim are "stuck"   
   > in traffic jams do have a choice.   
      
   What do you mean I want to take it away? I want a pluralistic society. "Your   
   commitment to the ideology is exemplary, comrade."   
      
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