From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:25:06 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2014-12-09 08:20:40 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   >   
   > > On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 12:01:11 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >> On 2014-12-09 02:11:20 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   > >>   
   > >>> On Monday, December 8, 2014 7:22:17 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >>>> On 2014-12-08 20:59:42 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   Philosopher said:   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>> On Monday, December 8, 2014 10:01:28 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >>>>>> On 2014-12-08 08:46:35 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   Philosopher said:   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:56:05 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>> In every country in the world, the first thing people want as they   
   > >>>>>>>> come up out of the mud is personal transportation.   Even in China,   
   > >>>>>>>> with cities far bigger then most, and with plenty of public   
   > >>>>>>>> transportation of one sort or another, the people still hunger for   
   > >>>>>>>> personal transportation.   
   > >>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> Right, and because of it they are choking in pollution and the world   
   is   
   > >>>>>>> looking into the abyss of irreversible climate change.   
   > >>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> And they are sitting in endless traffic jams as well, so they are not   
   > >>>>>>> getting fast anywhere.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> And if they were actually "not getting fast anywhere [sic]"...   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> ...they wouldn't be doing it.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Think of the word trolley. Have they ever been fast?   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> How is that relevant?   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Fact: you're trying to say that driving is futile because there are   
   > >>>> traffic jams.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Clearly, the people with the most experience of the situation   
   disagree...   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> ...because they are CHOOSING to use their cars.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Do they have a choice?   
   > >>   
   > >> Yes.   
   > >   
   > > A choice of one? You could give me two at least, right?   
   >   
   > They have other choices. You have already mentioned some.   
   >   
   > >   
   > >>   
   > >> Right now, as things stand today, most people who you claim are "stuck"   
   > >> in traffic jams do have a choice.   
   > >   
   > > What do you mean I want to take it away? I want a pluralistic society.   
   > > "Your commitment to the ideology is exemplary, comrade."   
   >   
   > You clearly want to take away driving a personal vehicle as a choice.   
   >   
   > If you don't, this whole conversation is moot.   
      
   Yes, there are other options if you are black and poor. Or if you are willing   
   to gamble your life on a bicycle.   
      
   Riding a bike itself is terrible, so it's better to die.   
      
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