From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:50:11 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2014-12-09 20:41:34 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   >   
   > > On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 12:00:53 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >> On 2014-12-09 16:14:29 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   > >>   
   > >>> On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:24:00 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >>>> On 2014-12-09 08:17:12 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   Philosopher said:   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>> On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 12:01:11 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >>>>>> On 2014-12-09 02:11:20 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   Philosopher said:   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> On Monday, December 8, 2014 7:22:17 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>> On 2014-12-08 20:59:42 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   Philosopher said:   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 8, 2014 10:01:28 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>>>> On 2014-12-08 08:46:35 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   Philosopher said:   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:56:05 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher   
   wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>> In every country in the world, the first thing people want as   
   they   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>> come up out of the mud is personal transportation.   Even in   
   China,   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>> with cities far bigger then most, and with plenty of public   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>> transportation of one sort or another, the people still hunger   
   for   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>> personal transportation.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> Right, and because of it they are choking in pollution and the   
   world is   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> looking into the abyss of irreversible climate change.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> And they are sitting in endless traffic jams as well, so they   
   are not   
   > >>>>>>>>>>> getting fast anywhere.   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> And if they were actually "not getting fast anywhere [sic]"...   
   > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>>> ...they wouldn't be doing it.   
   > >>>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>>> Think of the word trolley. Have they ever been fast?   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>> How is that relevant?   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>> Fact: you're trying to say that driving is futile because there are   
   > >>>>>>>> traffic jams.   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>> Clearly, the people with the most experience of the situation   
   disagree...   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>> ...because they are CHOOSING to use their cars.   
   > >>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> Do they have a choice?   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> Yes.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> Right now, as things stand today, most people who you claim are   
   "stuck"   
   > >>>>>> in traffic jams do have a choice.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Well, I expected to hear what that choice was.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Is it staying home?   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Are you seriously claiming that most commuters have no other choice but   
   > >>>> to drive?   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Tell you what:   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> You name a city and a commute where you claim that is true.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Common, welcome to the real world. Once you depend on two buses, you   
   > >>> are grounded. The boss must be very tolerant of punctuality.   
   > >>   
   > >> So your standard is that it must be possible to get anywhere by taking   
   > >> a single bus (or transit vehicle)???   
   > >>   
   > >> Seriously?   
   > >>   
   > >> LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOL   
   > >   
   > > No, no, no...   
   > >   
   > > You are reading me wrong. The best combination is that of bicycling and   
   > > public transportation. When the bus fails you to take off on the bike.   
   > >   
   > > That's assuming the bus has a rack. Yes, that works here.   
   >   
   > And you think this is actually going to be a good solution for most   
   people????   
   >   
   > Tell me: how many bikes fit on the racks of one of your buses? It's   
   > nowhere near enough for even a third of the passengers to have a bike,   
   > is it?   
      
   2-3 bikes. Many more in the train.   
      
   But the revolution is about solutions. Get a folding bike.   
      
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