From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:51:17 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2014-12-17 00:29:33 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   >   
   > > On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:57:06 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >> On 2014-12-16 14:23:32 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   > >>   
   > >>> On Monday, December 15, 2014 10:13:58 PM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey,> >   
   > >>> Most Humble Philosopher wrote:   
   > >>>> On Monday, December 15, 2014 7:38:50 PM UTC-5, thekma...@gmail.com   
   wrote:   
   > >>>>> Free Spirit:   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Two-fold:  A misplaced focus on speed, and on generating revenues to>   
   > >>>>> >>> line the pockets of politicians.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Like I said a couple posts back, speed is not the issue, it's what one>   
   > >>>>> >>> is doing/focusing on at speed.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Good drivers going fast can be better than bad drivers going slow. But>   
   > >>>> >> bad drivers going fast are like an unguided missile.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Let's assume a "good driver" going fast: An idiot walks into his path>   
   > >>> > misjudging the distance and he's history. The good driver has a   
   > >>> death> > on his record.   
   > >>   
   > >> Sorry, but:   
   > >>   
   > >> 1. A good driver can avoid an idiot who just walks into his path   
   > >> pretty> often. In order to hit a good driver, you actually have to hide   
   > >> your> intention to jump in front of him.   
   > >>   
   > >> 2. If someone can get in front of the good driver in the window where>   
   > >> he cannot stop, and you're willing to call that person's death>   
   > >> unacceptable, then you are forced to set traffic speeds unreasonably>   
   > >> low for the risk this poses.   
   > >>   
   > >>>   
   > >>> We have around here three lanes squeezed into two and the result is> >   
   > >>> anyone opening the cars' doors on either side of the road is gambling>   
   > >>> > his life. The speed in that area should be 20 mph but it's common to>   
   > >>> > see drivers going 40 mph or more. We should not let the good driver>   
   > >>> > make all kinds of judgement.   
   > >>   
   > >> Actually, the research from traffic engineers and others looking into>   
   > >> it is that that is exactly what we should do.   
   > >>   
   > >>> There are all kinds of idiots out there, but the engineers are the   
   > >>> main> > issue. Why? Because they don't care. You see accidents   
   > >>> happening in the> > same area and they don't correct anything. Again,   
   > >>> they don't care.   
   > >>   
   > >> You think that the engineers are the problem?   
   > >>   
   > >> LOL   
   > >   
   > > The engineers are the main problem, drivers and pedestrians can also be   
   > > part of the problem.   
   >   
   > No. They are not.   
      
   It's no secret that you can count some idiots among pedestrians and drivers...   
      
   But the engineers couldn't even make passing lanes part of the design. The end   
   result is chaos and mayhem. It's not they are stupid. They are corrupt or they   
   simply don't care.   
      
   This sign got me in trouble when riding a bicycle and a driver spit in my face   
   because of it: "Walk bicycle across bridge."   
      
      
   >   
   > > They want to accommodate the maximum volume of cars, with little regard   
   > > to safety. I remember the same winding road next to Woodbourne, NY,   
   > > changing the speed limit wildly from 35 mph to 55 mph. If you followed   
   > > those limits, it would get you killed.   
   >   
   > Cite?   
      
   Eyewitness account (myself).   
      
   >   
   > >  But they figure nobody can follow such wild changes from one section   
   > > of the road to another. Same road! Hey, they are hiding everywhere   
   > > waiting for unsuspecting drivers who failed to adjust from 55 mph to 35   
   > > mph.   
   > > And that's the whole point about it. Money, mucho dinero, predation...   
   >   
   > Cite?   
      
   You think they are trying to make roads any safer? They would lower the speed   
   limits after so many accidents, right? Well, they don't. They just pick up the   
   bodies, and sweep the debris.   
      
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