From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:37:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2014-12-17 19:30:50 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises   
   said:   
      
   > > In the process they have killed many communities, giving rise to the   
   > > infamous gated communities. Are you willing to pay to live in a   
   > > community where the kids can play? Then go to a gated communities.   
   >   
   > I'm sorry, but what evidence do you have that cars have "killed many   
   > communities"?   
      
   You can't have communities without pedestrians/cyclists. What you get is   
   sprawl where nobody meets anyone. You must drive everywhere, and public   
   transportation is nearly dysfunctional.   
      
   It's a desert with an oasis here and there. And you must drive from here to   
   there.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > I believe there's a medium ground between unleashed traffic and   
   > > controlled traffic, where the pedestrians feel safer. It may be argued   
   > > that the SUV (the American supersized SUV) has no place in civilized   
   > > cities.   
   > >   
   > > In many ways, I think the trend is toward feudalism. The knights and   
   > > lords rule over the land. We just need to get rid of the terminology of   
   > > "democracy." The lords rule from gated communities and castles. They   
   > > don't live with the commoners, whose concerns are always ignored.   
   > >   
   > > I don't think the "freedom of movement" is negotiable. It's not that   
   > > you don't accept certain risks involved with walking/riding a bike,   
   > > just that many solutions are really common sense. Speed cameras are   
   > > just one example.   
   >   
   > Speed cameras are simply a revenue grab. One can tell this because   
   > they're typically placed where almost everyone is exceeding the posted   
   > limit, and as has been studied and revealed, where that is happening,   
   > it is almost always the limit that is wrong and not the drivers.   
      
   They are but they may accomplish something worthwhile. DUIs are also a revenue   
   grab but they somewhat mitigate the problem of drunk drivers.   
      
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