XPost: misc.survivalism, alt.politics, soc.women   
   From: SpamStop@your.isp   
      
   ======================================================================   
   			        I'M REALLY A STUPID SPAMMER, AREN'T I ?   
             I KEEP POSTING TO NON-RELEVANT GROUPS & GETTING MY SPAM RETURNED   
   ======================================================================   
      
      
   On 12/27/2014 5:56 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:   
   > On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:02:40 -0500, Alan Baker    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2014-12-27 20:40:22 +0000, Gunner Asch said:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:15:22 -0500, Alan Baker    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2014-12-27 19:09:41 +0000, Gunner Asch said:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 01:32:20 -0500, Alan Baker    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2014-12-27 00:59:31 +0000, Gunner Asch said:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:00:14 -0800, pyotr filipivich   
   >>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Gunner Asch  on Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:53:55 -0800   
   >>>>>>>> typed in misc.survivalism  the following:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:47:46 -0500, Alan Baker    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2014-12-26 19:52:32 +0000, Gunner Asch said:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> A motorcycle can stop faster than a car.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but that's just not correct.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> While some very capable sport bikes on good tires may be able to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> THEORETICALLY stop faster than some cars:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. It is certainly not true as a blanket statement about their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities. One of the major factors influencing maximum braking   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> effort is weight transfer. The more weight transferred from rear   
   to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> front, the less maximum grip the tires can provide. Bikes have   
   higher   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> ratios for C.G height to wheelbase than cars and so transfer a   
   greater   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> percentage of their weight onto the front wheel. So pick a like   
   for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> like comparison (sport bike vs sports car) on similar tires and   
   the car   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> is going to be able to brake to a stop in less distance.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Actually wringing the most braking out of a bike is far, FAR   
   harder   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> than doing the same on a car.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely correct.  The bike may turn faster...but it damned well   
   >>>>>>>>>>> wont stop faster than a car with 4 friction patches..IE tires   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> There's a lot more too it than that, Gunner.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> If that was all there was, then this statement would be true as   
   well:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> "The car may turn faster...but it damned well wont stop faster than   
   a   
   >>>>>>>>>> semi-truck with 18 friction patches..IE tires"   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> :-)   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Weight.  Inertia.  And empty semis stop damned near as slowly as   
   >>>>>>>>> motorcycles.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> 	Must be a result of the wheels locking up and the trailer   
   >>>>>>>> "bouncing" on the stopped tires.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Ayup. Not enough weight to hold them to the road.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Very much like a motorcycle or small car   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Complete and utter nonsense.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Your opinion is noted.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink"   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Except that mine are supported (at least in this case) by facts.   
   >>>   
   >>> Again your opinion is noted.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Gunner, ex cross country endurance motorcycle racer   
   >>>>> ex sidehack racer   
   >>>>> ex motocross racer   
   >>>>> ex deputy sheriff who attended the Bondurant School   
   >>>>> ex Rally racer   
   >>>>> recently expired Class A Commerical truck endorsement   
   >>>>> including tanker, hazmat  and high explosive   
   >>>>> endorsement   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Bully for you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> None of that trumps physics.   
   >>>   
   >>> When you provide physics we might listen.  So far your opinions have   
   >>> been ripe.   
   >>   
   >> I DID provide physics.   
   >>   
   >> Rubber on pavement is a non-linear friction interface. Double the   
   >> vertical load and you get less than double the ultimate friction.   
   >>   
   >> Hence if you increase the mass of a vehicle, you make the tires LESS   
   >> able to stop the vehicle.   
   >>   
   >> Every time.   
   >>   
   >> You may have other problems relating to brake balance, or possible   
   >> other things, but the idea that you need weight to make a tire work is   
   >> nonsense.   
   >>   
   >> Sorry.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)