XPost: misc.survivalism, alt.politics, soc.women   
   From: Paula@nyet.ca   
      
   On 12/27/2014 5:59 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:   
   > On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:04:54 -0500, Alan Baker    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2014-12-27 20:42:33 +0000, Gunner Asch said:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:16:57 -0500, Alan Baker    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2014-12-27 19:19:57 +0000, Gunner Asch said:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 01:31:54 -0500, Alan Baker    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2014-12-26 21:53:55 +0000, Gunner Asch said:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:47:46 -0500, Alan Baker    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 2014-12-26 19:52:32 +0000, Gunner Asch said:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> A motorcycle can stop faster than a car.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but that's just not correct.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> While some very capable sport bikes on good tires may be able to   
   >>>>>>>>>> THEORETICALLY stop faster than some cars:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> 1. It is certainly not true as a blanket statement about their   
   >>>>>>>>>> capabilities. One of the major factors influencing maximum braking   
   >>>>>>>>>> effort is weight transfer. The more weight transferred from rear to   
   >>>>>>>>>> front, the less maximum grip the tires can provide. Bikes have   
   higher   
   >>>>>>>>>> ratios for C.G height to wheelbase than cars and so transfer a   
   greater   
   >>>>>>>>>> percentage of their weight onto the front wheel. So pick a like for   
   >>>>>>>>>> like comparison (sport bike vs sports car) on similar tires and the   
   car   
   >>>>>>>>>> is going to be able to brake to a stop in less distance.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> 2. Actually wringing the most braking out of a bike is far, FAR   
   harder   
   >>>>>>>>>> than doing the same on a car.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Absolutely correct.  The bike may turn faster...but it damned well   
   >>>>>>>>> wont stop faster than a car with 4 friction patches..IE tires   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> There's a lot more too it than that, Gunner.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> If that was all there was, then this statement would be true as well:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> "The car may turn faster...but it damned well wont stop faster than a   
   >>>>>>>> semi-truck with 18 friction patches..IE tires"   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> :-)   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Weight.  Inertia.  And empty semis stop damned near as slowly as   
   >>>>>>> motorcycles.  Half full semis stop prettttty fucking quickly.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I'm sorry, but you use terms as if you know what they mean...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ...and you don't.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Again your opinion is noted with a great lack of interest.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And yet, here you are...   
   >>>   
   >>> Ive been "here" on misc.survivalism since 1997   
   >>>   
   >>> And?   
   >>>   
   >>> Gunner   
   >>>   
   >>> "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,   
   >>>   miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,   
   >>>   demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.   
   >>>   Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."   
   >>>                   PJ O'Rourke   
   >>   
   >> Here you are...   
   >>   
   >> ...in this thread...   
   >>   
   >> ...still...   
   >>   
      
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