From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Friday, January 2, 2015 6:07:35 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2015-01-02 22:59:52 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises   
   said:   
   >   
   > > On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:40:43 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote:   
   > >> On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 00:46:35 -0800 (PST), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most   
   > >> Humble Philosopher"  wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >>> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:56:05 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote:   
   > >>>> In every country in the world, the first thing people want as they   
   > >>>> come up out of the mud is personal transportation.   Even in China,   
   > >>>> with cities far bigger then most, and with plenty of public   
   > >>>> transportation of one sort or another, the people still hunger for   
   > >>>> personal transportation.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Right, and because of it they are choking in pollution and the world is   
   > >>> looking into the abyss of irreversible climate change.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> And they are sitting in endless traffic jams as well, so they are not   
   > >>> getting fast anywhere.   
   > >>   
   > >>   
   > >> So?  What's it to you?  It's their choice, why do you keep suggesting   
   > >> you know better how they should live then they do?  Maybe you'd like   
   > >> to tell us all what size house we should be allowed and what kind of   
   > >> food we should be allowed to eat.  Clearly they like cars, with all   
   > >> the attendant problems, over mass transit. Even in a   
   > >> quasi-dictatorship you see this over and over.  People want the   
   > >> freedom of a car.  It's only in a few places that have become rats   
   > >> nests, like NYC where many are forced to give up that dream and SETTLE   
   > >> for impersonal transportation.  Even in NYC people who can will pay   
   > >> ungodly sums of money to have a car.   
   > >   
   > > Funny, you want to enjoy the "freedom" to drive a car while denying a   
   > > place to public transportation, trains and bicycles.   
   >   
   > Really? Where did he say that?   
   >   
   > Personally, what I'd like is for those other modes of transportation to   
   > pay their own way.   
      
   Really? The pedestrians get it free, except where they don't get anything   
   --common in the suburbs.   
      
   But did drivers pay for war in Iraq? I'm all for riding bikes on existing   
   infrastructure, road or sidewalk, preferably roads.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > You need to be serious about them because the car has no future.   
   >   
   > The car has a bright future. The car is working for the vast majority   
   > of people in North America.   
      
   Oh no, the working class is struggling to eat because of the car. How many   
   kids can you feed when you own a car? Not many. Unless you live on welfare.   
      
   DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ON WELFARE SHOULD OWN A CAR?   
   >   
   > How do we know this? Because they continue to choose it.   
      
   Or perhaps because they have no choice. People in NYC pass on the car. They   
   live longer than other Americans. Perhaps they eat better by not having a car.   
      
   FREEDOM FROM THE CAR IS FREEDOM TOO.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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