From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Friday, January 2, 2015 8:31:45 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2015-01-03 01:16:48 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   >   
   > > On Friday, January 2, 2015 6:07:35 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >> On 2015-01-02 22:59:52 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises   
   said:   
   > >>   
   > >>> On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:40:43 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote:   
   > >>>> On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 00:46:35 -0800 (PST), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most   
   > >>>> Humble Philosopher"  wrote:   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>> On Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:56:05 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote:   
   > >>>>>> In every country in the world, the first thing people want as they   
   > >>>>>> come up out of the mud is personal transportation.   Even in China,   
   > >>>>>> with cities far bigger then most, and with plenty of public   
   > >>>>>> transportation of one sort or another, the people still hunger for   
   > >>>>>> personal transportation.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Right, and because of it they are choking in pollution and the world is   
   > >>>>> looking into the abyss of irreversible climate change.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> And they are sitting in endless traffic jams as well, so they are not   
   > >>>>> getting fast anywhere.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> So?  What's it to you?  It's their choice, why do you keep suggesting   
   > >>>> you know better how they should live then they do?  Maybe you'd like   
   > >>>> to tell us all what size house we should be allowed and what kind of   
   > >>>> food we should be allowed to eat.  Clearly they like cars, with all   
   > >>>> the attendant problems, over mass transit. Even in a   
   > >>>> quasi-dictatorship you see this over and over.  People want the   
   > >>>> freedom of a car.  It's only in a few places that have become rats   
   > >>>> nests, like NYC where many are forced to give up that dream and SETTLE   
   > >>>> for impersonal transportation.  Even in NYC people who can will pay   
   > >>>> ungodly sums of money to have a car.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Funny, you want to enjoy the "freedom" to drive a car while denying a   
   > >>> place to public transportation, trains and bicycles.   
   > >>   
   > >> Really? Where did he say that?   
   > >>   
   > >> Personally, what I'd like is for those other modes of transportation to   
   > >> pay their own way.   
   > >   
   > > Really? The pedestrians get it free, except where they don't get   
   > > anything --common in the suburbs.   
   >   
   > That's kind of the point.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > But did drivers pay for war in Iraq? I'm all for riding bikes on   
   > > existing infrastructure, road or sidewalk, preferably roads.   
   >   
   > Drivers pay far more for transportation than anyone else.   
   >   
   > And without those drivers, who is going to PAY for all that infrastructure?   
      
   Sure, they are milking the drivers but it doesn't necessarily go to maintain   
   the roads. It goes to feed corruption for the most part. The red light cameras   
   are flashing non stop but it goes into silly projects. Not even the sidewalks   
   are being fixed.   
   >   
   >   
   > >>   
   > >>>   
   > >>> You need to be serious about them because the car has no future.   
   > >>   
   > >> The car has a bright future. The car is working for the vast majority   
   > >> of people in North America.   
   > >   
   > > Oh no, the working class is struggling to eat because of the car. How   
   > > many kids can you feed when you own a car? Not many. Unless you live on   
   > > welfare.   
   >   
   > What a load of unsupported bullshit.   
      
   Place yourself in their shoes and imagine they hit you with a silly red light   
   ticket that costs you 160 bucks.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ON WELFARE SHOULD OWN A CAR?   
   >   
   > Strawman   
      
   Just give me the answer. Maybe they need from the car.   
      
   Not all people must drive.   
   >   
   > >>   
   > >> How do we know this? Because they continue to choose it.   
   > >   
   > > Or perhaps because they have no choice. People in NYC pass on the car.   
   > > They live longer than other Americans. Perhaps they eat better by not   
   > > having a car.   
   >   
   > I can just make things up too, you know...   
      
   Well, if it is COMMON SENSE, yes.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > FREEDOM FROM THE CAR IS FREEDOM TOO.   
   >   
   > Nope.   
      
   Freedom from the car means freedom from the payments and the tickets. Don't   
   forget the tickets. You have been targeted for predation.   
      
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