From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:33:25 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2015-01-03 15:09:12 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   >   
   > >>>> The car has a bright future. The car is working for the vast majority   
   > >>>> of people in North America.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Oh no, the working class is struggling to eat because of the car. How   
   > >>> many kids can you feed when you own a car? Not many. Unless you live on   
   > >>> welfare.   
   > >>   
   > >> What a load of unsupported bullshit.   
   > >   
   > > Place yourself in their shoes and imagine they hit you with a silly red   
   > > light ticket that costs you 160 bucks.   
   >   
   > Hmmmm....   
   >   
   > Don't go through red lights.   
      
   It's NOT going through red lights. It's passing a line or failing to stop when   
   turning right. That's a bad habit we could eradicate without being swallowed   
   whole. We could learn by being issued a $50 ticket. They just go for the   
   jugular.   
   >   
   > That works for me.   
   >   
   > >>   
   > >>>   
   > >>> DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ON WELFARE SHOULD OWN A CAR?   
   > >>   
   > >> Strawman   
   > >   
   > > Just give me the answer. Maybe they need from the car.   
   >   
   > Then if they need own they should own one.   
   >   
   > It's still a strawman.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Not all people must drive.   
   >   
   > As is this. I never said that everyone must.   
   >   
   > >>   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> How do we know this? Because they continue to choose it.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Or perhaps because they have no choice. People in NYC pass on the car.   
   > >>> They live longer than other Americans. Perhaps they eat better by not   
   > >>> having a car.   
   > >>   
   > >> I can just make things up too, you know...   
   > >   
   > > Well, if it is COMMON SENSE, yes.   
   >   
   > Good of you to admit you made it up though.   
      
   Well, am I making up that more people and more cars mean more traffic jams?   
   You need a study for that or is it commonsense?   
   >   
   > >>   
   > >>>   
   > >>> FREEDOM FROM THE CAR IS FREEDOM TOO.   
   > >>   
   > >> Nope.   
   > >   
   > > Freedom from the car means freedom from the payments and the tickets.   
   > > Don't forget the tickets. You have been targeted for predation.   
   >   
   > I've had perhaps two tickets in the last 10 years...   
   >   
   > ...and I drive fast.   
   >   
   > So how am I being preyed upon?   
      
   Tickets, tickets, tickets. Also towing, parking fees, tolls...   
      
   They just doubled the tolls around here. No escape.   
   >   
   >   
   > And unless you're advocating a public transportation system that can   
   > take me everywhere I want to go as quickly as I need to get there, it   
   > won't eliminate the car and its expenses for most people...   
   >   
   > ...simply add to those expenses.   
      
   Actually public transportation is a good option for those who are not such   
   good drivers. It would make your driving more fun and pleasurable.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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