From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Sunday, January 4, 2015 2:08:28 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2015-01-04 02:08:11 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   >   
   > > On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:33:25 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >> On 2015-01-03 15:09:12 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   > >>   
   > >>>>>> The car has a bright future. The car is working for the vast majority   
   > >>>>>> of people in North America.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Oh no, the working class is struggling to eat because of the car. How   
   > >>>>> many kids can you feed when you own a car? Not many. Unless you live on   
   > >>>>> welfare.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> What a load of unsupported bullshit.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Place yourself in their shoes and imagine they hit you with a silly red   
   > >>> light ticket that costs you 160 bucks.   
   > >>   
   > >> Hmmmm....   
   > >>   
   > >> Don't go through red lights.   
   > >   
   > > It's NOT going through red lights. It's passing a line or failing to   
   > > stop when turning right. That's a bad habit we could eradicate without   
   > > being swallowed whole. We could learn by being issued a $50 ticket.   
   > > They just go for the jugular.   
   >   
   > It IS going through a red light. Period.   
   >   
   > If you stop behind that line: no problem.   
   >   
   > If you stop when turning right: no problem.   
      
   I want to see the SPEED CAMERAS and I will be happy to pay if I go over the   
   limit. Would you?   
   >   
   > >>   
   > >> That works for me.   
   > >>   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ON WELFARE SHOULD OWN A CAR?   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Strawman   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Just give me the answer. Maybe they need from the car.   
   > >>   
   > >> Then if they need own they should own one.   
   > >>   
   > >> It's still a strawman.   
   > >>   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Not all people must drive.   
   > >>   
   > >> As is this. I never said that everyone must.   
   > >>   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> How do we know this? Because they continue to choose it.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Or perhaps because they have no choice. People in NYC pass on the car.   
   > >>>>> They live longer than other Americans. Perhaps they eat better by not   
   > >>>>> having a car.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> I can just make things up too, you know...   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Well, if it is COMMON SENSE, yes.   
   > >>   
   > >> Good of you to admit you made it up though.   
   > >   
   > > Well, am I making up that more people and more cars mean more traffic   
   > > jams? You need a study for that or is it commonsense?   
   >   
   > You are making up that people in NYC live longer by not having a car.   
   >   
   > I'll put it more simply so that you can understand:   
   >   
   > You are LYING.   
      
   Perhaps it's the clean air of NYC that keeps them living longer.   
      
   Or perhaps it's the fact that they keep moving and socializing. Seating in the   
   car for hours, raging at other drivers is not healthy.   
   >   
   > >>   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> FREEDOM FROM THE CAR IS FREEDOM TOO.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Nope.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Freedom from the car means freedom from the payments and the tickets.   
   > >>> Don't forget the tickets. You have been targeted for predation.   
   > >>   
   > >> I've had perhaps two tickets in the last 10 years...   
   > >>   
   > >> ...and I drive fast.   
   > >>   
   > >> So how am I being preyed upon?   
   > >   
   > > Tickets, tickets, tickets. Also towing, parking fees, tolls...   
   >   
   > Nope. Sorry, but I don't get "tickets, tickets, tickets", and any time   
   > I've been towed, it's been my fault.   
      
   I haven't either, but that doesn't mean they are going hungry.   
      
   >   
   > >   
   > > They just doubled the tolls around here. No escape.   
   > >>   
   > >>   
   > >> And unless you're advocating a public transportation system that can   
   > >> take me everywhere I want to go as quickly as I need to get there, it   
   > >> won't eliminate the car and its expenses for most people...   
   > >>   
   > >> ...simply add to those expenses.   
   > >   
   > > Actually public transportation is a good option for those who are not   
   > > such good drivers. It would make your driving more fun and pleasurable.   
   >   
   > It might be a good option...   
   >   
   > ...if it didn't require drivers to subsidize it.   
      
   Smokers are subsidizing many things. But that doesn't mean it's healthy. There   
   are many parallels between smoking and polluting beyond the obvious smoke.   
      
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