From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Sunday, January 4, 2015 2:32:48 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2015-01-04 07:27:01 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   >   
   > > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 2:09:11 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >> On 2015-01-04 02:10:29 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   > >>   
   > >>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:35:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >>>> On 2015-01-03 17:19:34 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   Philosopher said:   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:23:54 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most   
   > >>>>> Humble Philosopher wrote:   
   > >>>>>> You drivers are placing the noose around your own neck. Your   
   radicalism   
   > >>>>>> doesn't even tolerate the bicycle. The bicycle infrastructure is non   
   > >>>>>> existent or dysfunctional. Public transportation is highly   
   > >>>>>> dysfunctional too. You oppose trains in the city. You oppose fast   
   > >>>>>> trains as well. What's next?   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> "Carmageddon!"   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> I don't think we should turn this into a class struggle issue because   
   > >>>>> we often are both cyclists and drivers.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Naturally the bicycle is the most democratic vehicle of the two and the   
   > >>>>> one that keeps you in touch with your community. I don't think you   
   > >>>>> should even vote if you don't ride a bike. You don't know what's going   
   > >>>>> on. You don't know about crime. You don't know about broken sidewalks.   
   > >>>>> You don't know about corruption.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> More completely bullshit.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Everything is dysfunctional. You think we want free facilities. No, we   
   > >>>>> don't want any of that. Bike lanes don't work, not connected, used for   
   > >>>>> deliveries. They become another excuse for corruption.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> I KNOW you receive free facilities.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Who will pay for those if you actually eliminate car use?   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> We want a traffic lane. That means "taking the lane" in the bike   
   > >>>>> culture. You want us to pay for it? OK, how about 30 bucks a year for   
   > >>>>> the "license." Oh don't worry, we are not going to let loose any monkey   
   > >>>>> on the road. Anyways the true idiots are driving already. And we don't   
   > >>>>> want them next to us. We want next to us scooters and slow vehicles. Oh   
   > >>>>> yes, those Neighborhood Electric Vehicles are cute and friendly.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> And if that $30 a year can't pay for all the lanes you want? Where will   
   > >>>> they come from?   
   > >>>   
   > >>> I don't want bike lanes. I want the right lane be prioritized for slow   
   > >>> vehicles.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> We can pay as well, but don't terrorize us.   
   > >>   
   > >> Cyclists AREN'T paying.   
   > >>   
   > >> Neither are public transit users.   
   > >>   
   > >> Car drivers are paying.   
   > >   
   > > You are not even paying for the environmental damage you cause.   
   >   
   > Maybe...   
   >   
   > Show me the math.   
   >   
   > What I know is that public transit as it is today depends on there   
   > being enough drivers in cars to pay for it.   
      
   Do you think the public transit of NYC is paid by drivers as well? It's only   
   in the suburbs where public transportation struggles. The sprawl was built   
   around the car and there lies the problem. But now we are talking about   
   solutions, right?   
   >   
   > >   
   > > People in Norway and the Netherlands pay their fair share for gas, that   
   > > is twice as much as you do.   
   >   
   > And where have I said I'd object to paying that much?   
      
   Sure but first we need to take care of corruption. No matter how much money   
   you throw into the system, it will find its way into the black hole of   
   corruption.   
      
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