From: thetibetanmonkey@gmail.com   
      
   On Sunday, January 4, 2015 11:00:12 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > On 2015-01-05 03:43:52 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher   
   said:   
   >   
   > > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:28:50 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >> On 2015-01-04 23:22:06 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises   
   said:   
   > >>   
   > >>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:46:14 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >>>> On 2015-01-04 22:43:11 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic   
   Enterprises said:   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:35:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:   
   > >>>>>> On 2015-01-03 17:19:34 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   Philosopher said:   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:23:54 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey,   
   Most   
   > >>>>>>> Humble Philosopher wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>> You drivers are placing the noose around your own neck. Your   
   radicalism   
   > >>>>>>>> doesn't even tolerate the bicycle. The bicycle infrastructure is non   
   > >>>>>>>> existent or dysfunctional. Public transportation is highly   
   > >>>>>>>> dysfunctional too. You oppose trains in the city. You oppose fast   
   > >>>>>>>> trains as well. What's next?   
   > >>>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>> "Carmageddon!"   
   > >>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> I don't think we should turn this into a class struggle issue because   
   > >>>>>>> we often are both cyclists and drivers.   
   > >>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> Naturally the bicycle is the most democratic vehicle of the two and   
   the   
   > >>>>>>> one that keeps you in touch with your community. I don't think you   
   > >>>>>>> should even vote if you don't ride a bike. You don't know what's   
   going   
   > >>>>>>> on. You don't know about crime. You don't know about broken   
   sidewalks.   
   > >>>>>>> You don't know about corruption.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> More completely bullshit.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> Everything is dysfunctional. You think we want free facilities. No,   
   we   
   > >>>>>>> don't want any of that. Bike lanes don't work, not connected, used   
   for   
   > >>>>>>> deliveries. They become another excuse for corruption.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> I KNOW you receive free facilities.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> Who will pay for those if you actually eliminate car use?   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> "Eliminate car use?"   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> I tell you drivers tend to be radical. I want to retire the bad drivers   
   > >>>>> so the other forms of transportation as well as the good drivers can   
   > >>>>> enjoy more room.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> I want to require all drivers to be good drivers... ...or lose their   
   > >>>> right to drive.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Well, we need those SPEED CAMERAS to start separating the good drivers   
   > >>> from the bad drivers.   
   > >>   
   > >> No. We don't.   
   > >>   
   > >> Speed cameras tell you precisely nothing about whether some is a good   
   > >> driver or not.   
   > >>   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Hint: Good drivers don't go speeding on city streets. They should have   
   > >>> a working passing lane on freeways.   
   > >>   
   > >> If by "speeding" you mean "exceeding the posted limit", then you can   
   > >> make every driver into a "bad" driver simply by lowering the limit to a   
   > >> ridiculous number.   
   > >>   
   > >> The simple fact is that traffic engineers and scientists recommend   
   > >> setting limits at the 85th percentile of free flowing traffic speed. A   
   > >> limit set below that will result in many good drivers exceeding it.   
   > >   
   > > Excuses, excuses, excuses. The best drivers --the Germans-- coexist   
   > > with cameras. They go fast where they can.   
   >   
   > And you can co-exist with a lot of things...   
   >   
   > ...that doesn't make it optimal.   
   >   
   > Speed cameras aren't about improving safety. You pay the ticket, but   
   > you don't get any points on your license.   
   >   
   > Hence, you don't get removed from the driver pool unless you are very   
   > unlucky and poor.   
   >   
      
   Well, you boasted of not having tickets in the last 10 years and all of a   
   sudden the speed cameras worry you. What gives?   
      
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