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|    Uber Sucks to All    |
|    Police chief said Uber victim "came from    |
|    21 Apr 18 09:15:25    |
      XPost: az.politics, rec.video, sac.politics       XPost: alt.politics.liberalism       From: uber.sucks@21stcenturydems.org              On Sunday night, an Uber self-driving car killed 49-year-old       Elaine Herzberg in Tempe, Arizona. A key argument in Uber's       defense has been that the road was so dark that even an       attentive driver would not have spotted Herzberg in the seconds       before the crash.              Herzberg "came from the shadows right into the roadway," Tempe       police chief Sylvia Moir told the San Francisco Chronicle on       Monday. "The driver said it was like a flash."              When police released footage from the Uber vehicle's onboard       camera on Wednesday, it seemed to somewhat support this view. In       the video, Herzberg's feet become visible only about 1.4 seconds       before the final frame of the video. Prior to that point, she       appears shrouded in shadow.              But then people in the Tempe area started making their own       videos—videos that give a dramatically different impression of       that section of roadway.              In this nighttime video, posted to YouTube by Brian Kaufman on       Wednesday, the scene of the crash can be seen around 0:33.       Features at the sides of the road—including curbs, signs, and       bushes—are clearly visible. No pedestrians walk into the road       during the video, but it seems clear that Herzberg would have       been visible much earlier if the Uber video had been taken with       this camera.              Another YouTuber, Dana Black, posted this video. His camera work       isn't as good as Kaufman's—the video is blurry and he doesn't       hold his camera steady. But his video supports the same basic       conclusion. "It's not as dark as that video made it look," Black       says in the video as he drives past the point in the road where       Herzberg was hit (around 0:33). "My footage is from my Pixel XL       and looks pretty similar to real life," he writes in the YouTube       description.              To be fair, there are a few other cars on the road in Black's       video, which might be adding some illumination. But Kaufman's       car appears to be the only vehicle on the road, and visibility       is still much better than in Uber's dashcam video.              Headlights are supposed to illuminate more than two seconds       ahead of the car       It's not surprising that the road was actually more brightly lit       than the Uber video makes out. Think about it: the Uber car was       going 38 miles per hour (61km/h), and people on pitch-black       country roads drive faster than that all the time. That would be       extremely reckless if—as the video implies—headlights can't       illuminate the road two seconds ahead at that speed.              The video implies that the Uber car's headlights had a range       under 110 feet (33 meters). For comparison, here's a diagram       from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety showing       headlight ratings for the car in question, a Volvo XC90:              IIHS shows the XC90 with a range just under 250 feet (76 meters)       with "low beams" on. The car's headlights are rated poorly by       the IIHS compared with other cars on the market. Still, 250 feet       is more than 4 seconds of illumination for a car driving 38       miles per hour. If the Uber car's headlights really didn't       illuminate Herzberg until less than two seconds before the       crash, there was something seriously wrong with them.              The more likely explanation is that the Uber vehicle's dashcam       was poorly configured for nighttime recording, and so the video       gives a misleading impression of how bright the scene was and       how much warning the driver had.              And even if it's true that the road were poorly lit, it's not       clear if that would exonerate Uber. Uber's cars have lidar and       radar sensors in addition to cameras, and those sensors don't       require ambient light to function. So the vehicle should have       spotted Herzberg even if the road was pitch black.              Moreover, interior dashcam footage shows the driver looking down       for nearly five seconds just before the accident—so she likely       would have missed Herzberg no matter how good the illumination       on the road was.              Update: Originally this story featured a generic IIHS diagram on       headlight distance. But after it went up my colleague Jonathan       Gitlin pointed me to an XC90-specific diagram. So I replaced the       diagram and updated the paragraphs on either side accordingly.              sphigel Ars Centurion       JUMP TO POST       Thank you for writing this article. It was immediately obvious       to me that the Uber dashcam video was misleading. Why? Because       I've driven at night. It's really that simple. I know what it's       like to drive in pitch black with low beams on. You can still       safely drive 40 mph with the amount of illumination you get. I       also knew that the Volvo XC90 would have decent headlights       (although apparently not great) because it's a modern luxury       car. Reading accounts of people saying "I would have hit that       pedestrian too" had me bashing my head against the wall. Do       these people really think nighttime driving is as barenuckle as       the Uber dashcam video depicted? If so, then they shouldn't be       driving at night.                     https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03/police-chief-said-uber-       victim-came-from-the-shadows-dont-believe-it/              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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