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|    Hey Davey Hogg! Toronto van attack: Alek    |
|    24 Apr 18 15:15:31    |
      XPost: fl.politics, tor.bizarre, sac.politics       XPost: talk.politics.guns, can.politics, alt.politics.immigration       From: emailbarry@yahoo.com              Well dumb-assed Davey Hogg?              Are you going to demand that cars be restricted and banned now? You       obsequious little gun-fearing prick?              A van driver accused of killing 10 people in Toronto posted to       Facebook minutes before the attack to praise killer Elliot Rodger and       refer to the misogynistic "incel" Reddit group.              Alek Minassian, 25, was charged on Tuesday with 10 counts of murder       and 13 counts of attempted murder.              Police say he appeared to intentionally strike pedestrians after       mounting a busy pavement in a rental van.              He was arrested several blocks away after a tense standoff with       police.              Mr Minassian's Facebook post, which the social network has confirmed       as real, praised Elliott Rodger, a 22 year old from California who       killed six people in a shooting rampage through Isla Vista, California       in 2014 before turning the gun on himself.              It read: "The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all       the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"              The term "incel" refers to a now-banned group on the message site       Reddit, used by Rodger, where young men discussed their lack of sexual       activity and attractiveness to women - often blaming women for the       problem.              "Chads and Stacys" refers to attractive men and women who are       perceived as better than or unavailable to "incels", which is short       for "involuntary celibate".              Toronto van attack: What's an incel?       Toronto Police Detective Sergeant Graham Gibson said at a press       conference on Tuesday that the 10 dead and 14 wounded were       "predominantly" women.              He said the youngest were in their twenties and the eldest in their       eighties.              Mr Minassian appeared in court on Tuesday to hear the charges against       him. He sported a shaved head and white jumpsuit and held his hands       behind his back, showing little emotion throughout.              He was ordered to have no contact with surviving victims and return to       court on 10 May.              A man believed to be a relative of Mr Minassian's sat in the front row       of the court and wept. Asked by reporters after the hearing if he had       anything to say, the man replied "sorry".              Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau addressed reporters on Tuesday,       calling the incident a "senseless attack and a horrific tragedy".              Authorities have not yet formally identified any of the victims,       although one of the dead was named in local media as Anne-Marie       D'Amico.              What else do we know about the suspect?       The Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) confirmed that Mr Minassian was a       member for two months in late 2017. He did not complete his recruit       training and requested to be voluntarily released from the CAF after       16 days of the training.              Mr Minassian had previously attended a school for students with       special needs in north Toronto, former classmates said.              He would be seen walking around Thornlea Secondary School with his       head down and hands clasped tightly together making meowing noises,       Shereen Chami told Reuters.              But she said Mr Minassian had not been violent. "He wasn't a social       person, but from what I remember he was absolutely harmless," she told       Reuters.              Another former student, Ari Bluff, told CBC that Minassian did not       seem to have many friends. "I remember seeing him probably just       walking down the halls, usually by himself, or in the cafeteria by       himself," he said.              Mr Minassian went on to attend Seneca College in the North York area       of Toronto, where the van incident took place, CBC reported. Reporter       James Moore, with Newtalk 1010, told the BBC he had heard reports that       Mr Minassian was regarded as being "quite brilliant".              Police say Mr Minassian is from the northern Toronto suburb of       Richmond Hill and was not previously known to authorities.              Public safety minister Ralph Goodale said there "would appear to be no       national security connections" and Canadian broadcaster CBC cited       government officials as saying Mr Minassian was not associated with       any known terror groups.              Who were the victims?              So far, the name of only one of those who died has emerged.              She has been identified by local media as Anne-Marie D'Amico, who       worked for the US investment company, Invesco, CBC reports. The       company's Canadian headquarters are on Yonge Street.              A South Korean foreign ministry official told AFP news agency that two       of its citizens were among the dead. The 15 injured remain in       hospitals throughout Toronto.              Jordan's embassy has told the BBC that a male Jordanian citizen was       among those killed.              How did the incident unfold?       Police said the suspect in the van mounted the kerb on Yonge Street       between Finch Avenue and Sheppard Avenue at about 13:30 local time       (17:30 GMT) on Monday and drove into pedestrians along a 1km       (0.6-mile) stretch.              Reza Hashemi, who owns a video shop on Yonge Street, told the BBC he       heard screaming on the other side of the road. He said the van was       repeatedly mounting the pavement and running into people.              'It was awful': What eyewitnesses saw              One witness told City News that the driver was "hitting anything that       comes in the way".              "People, fire hydrants, there's mail boxes being run over," said the       unnamed man, who said he was driving behind the van during the       incident.              As the van continued, the man said he sounded his horn to try to warn       pedestrians. "I witnessed at least six, seven people being hit and       flying in the air, like killed, on the street," he said.              Pictures from the scene showed bodies covered in orange sheets along       the van's route. Debris and items of clothing were scattered across       the pavements and road.              The van was brought to a halt by police several streets away and was       quickly surrounded.              The suspect pointed an object at the officer and claimed to have a       gun.              "I don't care. Get down," the officer said, before arresting Mr       Minassian without firing a shot. The arrest was filmed by two       bystanders and the officer was praised for not opening fire.              Mr Trudeau praised the police response, saying officers "faced danger       without a moment of hesitation".              Did you witness the attack? Share your experiences by emailing       haveyoursay@bbc.co.uk.              Please include a contact number if you are willing to speak to a BBC       journalist. 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