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   Hey Davey Hogg! Toronto van attack: Alek   
   24 Apr 18 15:15:31   
   
   XPost: fl.politics, tor.bizarre, sac.politics   
   XPost: talk.politics.guns, can.politics, alt.politics.immigration   
   From: emailbarry@yahoo.com   
      
   Well dumb-assed Davey Hogg?   
      
   Are you going to demand that cars be restricted and banned now?  You   
   obsequious little gun-fearing prick?   
      
   A van driver accused of killing 10 people in Toronto posted to   
   Facebook minutes before the attack to praise killer Elliot Rodger and   
   refer to the misogynistic "incel" Reddit group.   
      
   Alek Minassian, 25, was charged on Tuesday with 10 counts of murder   
   and 13 counts of attempted murder.   
      
   Police say he appeared to intentionally strike pedestrians after   
   mounting a busy pavement in a rental van.   
      
   He was arrested several blocks away after a tense standoff with   
   police.   
      
   Mr Minassian's Facebook post, which the social network has confirmed   
   as real, praised Elliott Rodger, a 22 year old from California who   
   killed six people in a shooting rampage through Isla Vista, California   
   in 2014 before turning the gun on himself.   
      
   It read: "The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all   
   the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"   
      
   The term "incel" refers to a now-banned group on the message site   
   Reddit, used by Rodger, where young men discussed their lack of sexual   
   activity and attractiveness to women - often blaming women for the   
   problem.   
      
   "Chads and Stacys" refers to attractive men and women who are   
   perceived as better than or unavailable to "incels", which is short   
   for "involuntary celibate".   
      
   Toronto van attack: What's an incel?   
   Toronto Police Detective Sergeant Graham Gibson said at a press   
   conference on Tuesday that the 10 dead and 14 wounded were   
   "predominantly" women.   
      
   He said the youngest were in their twenties and the eldest in their   
   eighties.   
      
   Mr Minassian appeared in court on Tuesday to hear the charges against   
   him. He sported a shaved head and white jumpsuit and held his hands   
   behind his back, showing little emotion throughout.   
      
   He was ordered to have no contact with surviving victims and return to   
   court on 10 May.   
      
   A man believed to be a relative of Mr Minassian's sat in the front row   
   of the court and wept. Asked by reporters after the hearing if he had   
   anything to say, the man replied "sorry".   
      
   Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau addressed reporters on Tuesday,   
   calling the incident a "senseless attack and a horrific tragedy".   
      
   Authorities have not yet formally identified any of the victims,   
   although one of the dead was named in local media as Anne-Marie   
   D'Amico.   
      
   What else do we know about the suspect?   
   The Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) confirmed that Mr Minassian was a   
   member for two months in late 2017. He did not complete his recruit   
   training and requested to be voluntarily released from the CAF after   
   16 days of the training.   
      
   Mr Minassian had previously attended a school for students with   
   special needs in north Toronto, former classmates said.   
      
   He would be seen walking around Thornlea Secondary School with his   
   head down and hands clasped tightly together making meowing noises,   
   Shereen Chami told Reuters.   
      
   But she said Mr Minassian had not been violent. "He wasn't a social   
   person, but from what I remember he was absolutely harmless," she told   
   Reuters.   
      
   Another former student, Ari Bluff, told CBC that Minassian did not   
   seem to have many friends. "I remember seeing him probably just   
   walking down the halls, usually by himself, or in the cafeteria by   
   himself," he said.   
      
   Mr Minassian went on to attend Seneca College in the North York area   
   of Toronto, where the van incident took place, CBC reported. Reporter   
   James Moore, with Newtalk 1010, told the BBC he had heard reports that   
   Mr Minassian was regarded as being "quite brilliant".   
      
   Police say Mr Minassian is from the northern Toronto suburb of   
   Richmond Hill and was not previously known to authorities.   
      
   Public safety minister Ralph Goodale said there "would appear to be no   
   national security connections" and Canadian broadcaster CBC cited   
   government officials as saying Mr Minassian was not associated with   
   any known terror groups.   
      
   Who were the victims?   
      
   So far, the name of only one of those who died has emerged.   
      
   She has been identified by local media as Anne-Marie D'Amico, who   
   worked for the US investment company, Invesco, CBC reports. The   
   company's Canadian headquarters are on Yonge Street.   
      
   A South Korean foreign ministry official told AFP news agency that two   
   of its citizens were among the dead. The 15 injured remain in   
   hospitals throughout Toronto.   
      
   Jordan's embassy has told the BBC that a male Jordanian citizen was   
   among those killed.   
      
   How did the incident unfold?   
   Police said the suspect in the van mounted the kerb on Yonge Street   
   between Finch Avenue and Sheppard Avenue at about 13:30 local time   
   (17:30 GMT) on Monday and drove into pedestrians along a 1km   
   (0.6-mile) stretch.   
      
   Reza Hashemi, who owns a video shop on Yonge Street, told the BBC he   
   heard screaming on the other side of the road. He said the van was   
   repeatedly mounting the pavement and running into people.   
      
   'It was awful': What eyewitnesses saw   
      
   One witness told City News that the driver was "hitting anything that   
   comes in the way".   
      
   "People, fire hydrants, there's mail boxes being run over," said the   
   unnamed man, who said he was driving behind the van during the   
   incident.   
      
   As the van continued, the man said he sounded his horn to try to warn   
   pedestrians. "I witnessed at least six, seven people being hit and   
   flying in the air, like killed, on the street," he said.   
      
   Pictures from the scene showed bodies covered in orange sheets along   
   the van's route. Debris and items of clothing were scattered across   
   the pavements and road.   
      
   The van was brought to a halt by police several streets away and was   
   quickly surrounded.   
      
   The suspect pointed an object at the officer and claimed to have a   
   gun.   
      
   "I don't care. Get down," the officer said, before arresting Mr   
   Minassian without firing a shot. The arrest was filmed by two   
   bystanders and the officer was praised for not opening fire.   
      
   Mr Trudeau praised the police response, saying officers "faced danger   
   without a moment of hesitation".   
      
   Did you witness the attack? Share your experiences by emailing   
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