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   Hey Davey Hogg! Suspect in Toronto van r   
   24 Apr 18 15:23:32   
   
   XPost: fl.politics, tor.bizarre, sac.politics   
   XPost: talk.politics.guns, can.politics, alt.politics.immigration   
   From: emailbarry@yahoo.com   
      
   Well dumb-assed Davey Hogg?   
      
   Are you going to demand that cars be restricted and banned now?  You   
   obsequious little gun-fearing prick?   
      
   TORONTO — A 25-year-old suspect accused of mowing down pedestrians   
   with a van in a busy Toronto shopping district was ordered held   
   Tuesday on 10 counts of first-degree murder — one for each of the   
   victims in an attack whose motives remain unclear.   
      
   Authorities said Monday’s carnage did not trigger a national security   
   threat, suggesting it was not initially viewed as having possible   
   terrorism links.   
      
   But investigators have not offered further details on what may have   
   led the driver to plow his rented van through crowds on a warm spring   
   afternoon — claiming at least 10 lives and leaving more than a dozen   
   others injured. Police arrested the suspect at the scene and   
   identified him as Alek Minassian.   
      
   In a Toronto court Tuesday, Minassian wore a white prison jumpsuit   
   with his hands cuffed behind his back. The judge read the charges,   
   which also included 13 counts of attempted murder.   
      
   Minassian confirmed his name for the court. He then answered “yes”   
   when asked if he understood a court order not to have any contact with   
   the victims or their families.   
      
   The next hearing was scheduled for May 10. Minassian was ordered held   
   pending a possible bail hearing.   
      
   In the meantime, officials are attempting to piece together the   
   planning and motives of a suspect who was not previously on any law   
   enforcement watch lists. Witnesses said the van jumped a curb and   
   roared through a crowded pedestrian zone in what appeared to be a   
   deliberate act.   
      
   At a news conference Tuesday, Detective Sgt. Graham Gibson said that   
   “the accused is alleged to have posted a cryptic message on Facebook”   
   minutes before he began his attack. The Facebook post referred to a   
   misogynistic online subculture for “involuntarily celibate” men. But   
   police declined to say whether they were investigating the post, much   
   less whether they considered it a clue to a possible motive.   
      
   Facebook “found and immediately deleted the suspect’s Facebook   
   account,” a company spokesman said in an emailed statement to The   
   Washington Post. One post, which Facebook confirmed had been posted   
   from his account shortly before the account was shut down, praised   
   “Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger,” who killed six people in Santa   
   Barbara, Calif., in 2014.   
      
   Rodger, who died from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound after   
   the 2014 attack, left behind an extensive digital history, including a   
   YouTube video in which he vowed a “day of retribution” against the   
   women who had sexually rejected him. Rodger’s online history indicated   
   he may have identified himself as an “incel,” or an involuntary   
   celibate, and of the anti-feminist “manosphere.”   
      
   The post on Minassian’s Facebook account contained references to this   
   online subculture. “The Incel rebellion has already begun!” it read.   
   “We will overthrow all of the Chads and Stacys!” Incels refer to   
   popular, sexually attractive people as Chads and Stacys, a term meant   
   as an insult.   
      
   Neither Facebook officials nor police have confirmed that Minassian   
   wrote the post that appeared on his account. The Washington Post could   
   not ascertain the exact timing of the post — or whether it was   
   published when the suspect had access to his account.   
      
   Gibson said the victims of Monday’s attack were “predominantly female”   
   but that he could not say whether they were deliberately targeted. The   
   first victim to be publicly identified was Anne Marie D’Amico, an   
   employee at the investment management firm Invesco, which has its   
   Canadian headquarters on Yonge Street, where the attack occurred.   
      
   South Korea’s Foreign Affairs Ministry said in a tweet that two of its   
   nationals were killed in the attack, and an official at the Jordanian   
   embassy in Canada said that one Jordanian was among the dead.   
      
   Ontario Chief Coroner Dirk Huyer said at a news conference Tuesday   
   that identifying the victims was his “number 1 priority,” and he   
   appealed to the public for help.   
      
   At a makeshift memorial set up near the scene of the attack, people   
   wiped away tears as they left flowers, teddy bears and candles. They   
   wrote messages of condolence in several languages; others handed out   
   juice boxes to police officers conducting a forensic investigation at   
   the scene.   
      
   Many of those gathered said they were shocked that the   
   vehicle-as-weapon attacks that they had seen happen elsewhere could   
   take place in their own back yards.   
      
   Sandra Chartrand, who lives near the location of the attack, said she   
   arrived roughly half an hour after the incident.   
      
   “People were running around hectically, and I watched police officers   
   cover up some bodies with orange tarps,” she said. “I walk here   
   everyday, and it will be a constant reminder of what happened.”   
      
   Ari Blaff, who went to high school with Minassian at Thornlea   
   Secondary School north of Toronto, said he was “in disbelief” when he   
   saw that Minassian was accused of carrying out the attack.   
      
   Blaff said that Minassian was quiet and kept to himself but was never   
   violent. He recalled Minassian repeating that he feared girls but that   
   he did not remember him being misogynistic.   
      
   “We thought it was just strange behavior from a guy in high school,”   
   Blaff said.   
      
   In a news conference Tuesday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the   
   incident was a “senseless attack and a horrific tragedy.”   
      
   Trudeau added that the attack “hasn’t changed the overall threat level   
   in Canada” although it took place as envoys from the Group of Seven   
   industrialized nations met in Toronto.   
      
   Canada’s defense minister confirmed Tuesday that Minassian was a   
   member of the country’s armed forces for two months beginning in   
   August 2017. He voluntarily left the service after 16 days of recruit   
   training, the minister said without providing further details.   
      
      
   Toronto’s police chief identified the driver as Minassian, of Richmond   
   Hill, Ontario. Minassian, who was not carrying a weapon, was taken   
   into custody after a showdown in which he brandished an object and   
   told officers, “Shoot me in the head.”   
      
   Police cordoned off a home on Elmsley Drive, a quiet street in the   
   suburb of Richmond Hill, while they searched for clues. Home property   
   records show that the home belongs to Vahe and Sona Minassian.   
      
   While Canadians are proud of living in a country where crime rates are   
   generally low and ethnic diversity is celebrated rather than feared,   
   several terrorism-related incidents in recent years have reminded the   
   public that Canada is not immune to the kinds of events that have   
   struck Europe and the United States.   
      
   In September, Abdulahi Hasan Sharif was arrested in Edmonton, Alberta,   
      
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