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|    Dumas Walker to what Trump    |
|    only slightly OT - Europe    |
|    06 Jun 24 16:26:00    |
      From: Dumas.Walker@f10.n1.z17521.fidonet.org              > The anxiety is partly misplaced. Trump's truculent brand of American       > nationalism is a terrible idea for many reasons, not least in the       > encouragement it gives to Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping to target weaker       > U.S. allies. But Trump is also the messenger of a warning Europeans       > desperately need to heed.              While I don't disagree with the sentiment here, I do disagree with those       examples. Putin and Jinping seemed much more encouraged to start       (re)targeting allies (Ukraine, Taiwan) after Trump left office.              > Growth and dynamism: In 1960 the EU 28 . the 27 countries currently in       > the European Union, plus Britain . accounted for 36.3% of global gross       > domestic product. By 2020 it had fallen to 22.4%. By the end of the       > century it is projected to fall to just under 10%. By contrast, the       > United States has maintained a roughly consistent share . around a       > quarter . of global GDP since the Kennedy administration.              That is interesting, and concerning.              > Military power: When the Cold War ended in 1990, the West German       > military fielded more than 500,000 troops and spent 2.5% of its GDP on       > defense. As of last year, it was down to 181,000 troops and 1.57%.       > Britain's Royal Navy, the most powerful in the world at the outset of       > World War II, can now deploy just 10 submarines and fewer than two dozen       > major surface warships, some of which are inactive.       >       > In an all-out war, the British would exhaust their defense capabilities       > in about two months, according to a report to the House of Commons       > defense committee. The same would likely be true . if not much sooner .       > for every EU member-state apart from Poland, which aims to spend as much       > as 5% of its GDP on defense next year.              > . As Europe's NATO members struggle to meet the bare minimum goal of       > spending 2% of their GDP on defense, are they willing to come to grips       > with the fact that they probably need to spend twice as much?              These military facts/numbers have provided fodder for the aforementioned Trump       nationalists in the US. They use them as proof that other NATO countries are       not pulling their weight.              > Trump's ideas about NATO,              Which come from the facts and numbers stated above, which the US media in       the past has tried to refute.              > his zero-sum attitudes about winning, his       > fondness for strongmen and his ignorance of and indifference to history       > are all, rightly, causes for European alarm. But people, and nations,       > succeed or fail to the extent that they refuse to hand over       > responsibility for their fates to others.              Because they don't like these things is not necessarily a reason to act in       complete opposite of them. They should do what is necessary in spite of       what Trump says or thinks...              > "The world is what it is; men who are nothing, who allow themselves to       > become nothing, have no place in it," V.S. Naipaul once warned. It's       > good advice for Europe on this solemn anniversary of their previous       > liberation.               ... and they shouldn't be hoping for others to bail them out if the crap       hits the fan.                      * SLMR 2.1a * It's never too late to have a happy childhood.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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