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   Geoff to Alan   
   Re: USGP 2024 -Teflon underpants ?   
   23 Oct 24 10:13:59   
   
   From: geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org   
      
   On 23/10/2024 9:30 am, Alan wrote:   
   > On 2024-10-22 13:24, News wrote:   
   >> On 10/22/2024 4:13 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>> On 2024-10-22 12:18, News wrote:   
   >>>> On 10/22/2024 1:41 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2024-10-22 09:13, News wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 10/22/2024 12:01 PM, Edmund wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 22-10-2024 16:37, News wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 10/21/2024 3:19 AM, Edmund wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 20-10-2024 23:26, Geoff wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> VER forces NOR off track at first corner and all is OK "after   
   >>>>>>>>>> all it is the first corner of the race"....   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Near the end, VER forces NOR off the track, going off-track   
   >>>>>>>>>> himself, and it is NOR gets a penalty.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> How does that work ?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It works as it always work, some drivers are more equal then   
   >>>>>>>>> others.   
   >>>>>>>>> Other then that, the rules!! IF they are applied here, suck big   
   >>>>>>>>> time.   
   >>>>>>>>> The start where mad max goes way too fast to make the corner   
   >>>>>>>>> AND leave space for others..... that is ruled OK! which is absurd.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> BTW I am pretty sure max went off track during the race and   
   >>>>>>>>> kept position BECAUSE he went of track, nobody cares.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Boo F1'riggin Hoo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> https://adamcooperf1.com/2024/10/22/horner-norris-us-gp-penalty-   
   >>>>>>>> was- a- slam-dunk/   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Much to my surprise Horner is backing his team.   
   >>>>>>> Do you have a opinion of your own?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Horner speaks for me.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The difference is that Horner understands that it's easy to get   
   >>>>> back ahead in the braking zone for a corner...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> ...by simply easing off the brake pedal.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You won't be able to stay on the track, mind, but your car's nose   
   >>>>> will be back in front.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Statistical evaluation and modeling >> basic racecraft   
   >>>   
   >>> What do you even claim to mean by that?   
   >>>   
   >>> Norris braked later than Verstappen and his nose was ahead.   
   >>>   
   >>> The ONLY WAY that Verstappen comes back to nose ahead is by easing   
   >>> off the brakes which will leave him with too much speed to stay on   
   >>> the track...   
   >>>   
   >>> ...which is exactly what happened?   
   >>>   
   >>> How is that "racecraft"?   
   >>>   
   >>> How is it different to using underbraking to force someone off the   
   >>> track in a CORNER as opposed to using steering to force someone off   
   >>> the track on the STRAIGHT?   
   >>>   
   >>>  From a car control standpoint, they are both deliberate actions that   
   >>> force another driver off the track.   
   >>   
   >> Now model outcomes and Stewards' probable responses.   
   >>   
   >> IYKYK.   
   >   
   > OIK...BYD   
   >   
   > '2. Guidelines for overtaking on the outside of a corner:   
   >   
   > ...   
   >   
   > The car being overtaken must be capable of making the corner while   
   > remaining within the limits of the track.”'   
   >   
   >  _fia_f1_driving_standard_guidelines.pdf>   
   >   
   > Read that as many times as it takes.   
      
   And  that should work for the first corner in the race as well.   
      
   --   
   geoff   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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