From: shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/11/2024 6:58 pm, scole wrote:   
   > In article , ~misfit~   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 4/11/2024 10:39 am, pP85PrR wrote:   
   >>> What an F'd up weekend.   
   >>>   
   >>> I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race   
   > weekends, but this recent one   
   >>> is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the Spa non-race is up there.   
   > (And I've been a fan for a while.)   
   >>>   
   >>> As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion   
   > of abort/abandon.   
   >>>   
   >>> I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more   
   > of a shitshow.   
   >>   
   >> I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most of   
   > the field don't have the   
   >> sense to use the supplied full wet tyres when it's fully wet! So, the   
   > race director decides it's   
   >> too dangerous and a guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on   
   > 30 lap old intermediate   
   >> tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?   
   >   
   > I mean, first of all, what an insanely entertaining freak-show of a race   
   > weekend! It was crazy, maybe too crazy in honesty but mighty fun to devote   
   > almost the whole weekend to watching.   
      
   I think it was fine up until the race.   
      
   > To your point re tyres, at one point one of the Sky commentators (Crofty,   
   > I think) remarked "It is undriveable out there",   
      
   I have on opinion of Crofty and it includes that he should let the ex-F1   
   driver speak to driving.   
   He should stick to his stats and inane puns (and take a Valium 20 minutes   
   before the race starts).   
      
   > but all the drivers were   
   > on inters while it was absolutely shagging it down with rain, I thought,   
   > so of course it is! I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done   
   > about drivers hanging their arses out on inters hoping for a red flag tbh.   
      
   I've heard Martin Brundle liken this to 'goal-hanging'.   
      
   > Maybe the race director could issue a directive that conditions mandate   
   > full wet and that all teams must box at the next opportunity? Knowing that   
   > this call could be a possibility might encourage teams to box for wets at   
   > their own choosing, maybe trying to judge it so they do so a lap or two   
   > prior to the race director mandating it, so then teams that have tried to   
   > stay out for an advantage then have to contend with a busy pit lane and   
   > potentially double-stacking their cars?   
   >   
   > I dunno, sounds a bit daft, but the current situation isn't much good,   
   > either. And with the red flag giving teams a free pit stop, it needs   
   > fixing. Surely easiest thing to do would be to add time to any driver who   
   > had work done under the red flag? So, change tyres under red flag, plus 25   
   > seconds to race time to account for the pit stop cost, changes tyres and   
   > front wing, plus 40 seconds, and so on. Reflect what doing these under   
   > normal race conditions would cost. Even better, add the time and then   
   > re-order accordingly when getting the race restarted; take the track   
   > positions at the last complete lap or sector and factor in the red flag   
   > pit work time to move cars to the correct position had they pitted under   
   > race conditions?   
      
   Some good suggestions that I think have merit. Also can't the race director   
   just throw a safety car   
   and then get the cars to park on the grid pending a re-start (under the safety   
   car) when conditions   
   allow? That way there are no changes to the cars allowed on the grid and if   
   drivers want to change   
   tyres they have to pit when the race is going. I'm sure I've seen that in the   
   past. Those who   
   haven't pitted could still pit under the safety car but it at least would cost   
   them /some/ time   
   and/or positions.   
      
   > Max got very lucky, but he drove a great race and would, I think, have   
   > been on the podium if not first anyway. Hats off to the guy. Shame it's   
   > all over now bar the fat lady singing, though, would have been great to   
   > see Lando take it to the wire.   
      
   I also think Max would have done well regardless but this result to me is the   
   result of a lottery.   
   At worst it could be seen as Max yet again benefiting (maybe even getting a   
   WDC!) from a race   
   director's decision.   
   --   
   Shaun.   
      
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   little classification   
   in the DSM"   
   David Melville.   
      
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