From: mpconmy@gmail.com   
      
   Geoff  wrote:   
   > On 12/08/2025 7:46 pm, Alan wrote:   
   >> On 2025-08-12 00:15, Yazoo wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> We can agree to disagree.   
   >>> I've been following F1 since mid-seventies.   
   >>   
   >> So have I.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> There were some competitive and arrogant drivers: Hunt, Senna, Alonso,   
   >>> Michael Schumacher, Jacques Villeneuve, Montoya, Nelson Piquet,   
   >>> Hamilton.   
   >>>   
   >>> But only match in this regard with Max Vertsapen could be Michael   
   >>> Scumacher. These two stand out in this group.   
   >> But each of those you've mentioned was in the spotlight.   
   >   
   >   
   > Yeh, but that was part of why they were in the spotlight.   
      
   Don't bother, Geoff. We know Alan is a contrarian. He doesn't understand   
   the "part of" means "not only" or recognise that all of them were well   
   known at various times (and for various reasons) for aggressive driving.   
   It wasn't just "results" that made them famous at the time or since.   
      
   In most cases, I don't think it was unreasonable - the whole "If you no   
   longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver"   
   quote has merit - but these pretty much all did things at times that   
   were well beyond reasonable. Verstappen isn't completely unique, but he   
   *is* an outlier even within that group. As Yazoo said, of that group I   
   would only really put Schumacher in the same group. He benefited not   
   just from when he was the best driver in the best car, he benefited from   
   people jumping out of the way "just in case". It's on such fine margins   
   that you win additional WDCs. Verstappen is the same.   
      
   Some people have blinkers on.   
      
      
      
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