From: here@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On 22/05/2023 14:55, Vicky Howard wrote:   
   > On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 6:10:49 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:   
   >> On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 03:56:22 -0400, George Cornelius wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> In article , Frank    
   >>> writes:   
   >>>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 04:17:33 -0400, George Cornelius wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>> Also, I wrote that you might need an antenna tuner for an external   
   >>>>> antenna, but this just seems to clip on directly, so that's a good   
   >>>>> sign.   
   >>>>> Otherwise I was going to guess that the receiver had inductive antenna   
   >>>>> impedance compensation, varying by band, and building just a series   
   >>>>> capacitor substitution box that went by decade from 50pf to 50nf might   
   >>>>> compensate for that in order to work with an antenna of design   
   >>>>> impedance of, say, 50-300 ohms.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Most portables have an untuned high impedance connection to the whip   
   >>>> antenna. Basically just coupled to the gate of a FET.   
   >>>   
   >>> Unaware of that. Untuned input stages? I'm not sure I have ever looked   
   >>> at the circuit diagram for any shortwave receiver that was not tube   
   >>> based, so I'll accept that as something quite possible.   
   >> The way it's typically done on digital tune radios is the 1st IF is   
   >> typically on the order of 50 Mhz. The internal oscillator need to cover   
   >> from 50 MHz to 20 MHz for the radio to receive from 0 Hz to 30 MHz. They   
   >> don't really go down to 0 Hz, but that's the principle.   
   >>   
   >> The rub is that this sort of arrangement requires a VERY stable   
   >> oscillator. Pretty much impossible with a LC oscillator.   
   >>   
   >> The images will all be above the IF frequency and can be easily filtered   
   >> with a low pass filter.   
   >>>   
   >>> I know FET's are marvelous for input stages. But beyond that everything   
   >>> I say about the input to this receiver is based upon pure wild-assed   
   >>> guess.   
   >>>   
   >>> Please note, though, that the users' manual explains that the internal   
   >>> loop antenna is involved, as well as the whip, below 7200 khz. So they   
   >>> (a) have a bit of band switching and (b) do most likely have a tuned   
   >>> input stage, at least below 7200 .   
   >> The internal loop doesn't have to be tuned. I'm pretty sure the internal   
   >> loop for my DX 440 isn't tuned. It feeds into it's own amplifier.   
   >>>> A high input impedance input is good enough for a rod antenna. The   
   >>>> antenna is electrically short at SW frequencies and the ground half of   
   >>>> the antenna is whatever capacitive coupling the radio can get to the   
   >>>> rest of the world.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, and you do tend to have capacitive coupling to the AC line,   
   >>> which in turn, has all sorts of coupling to ground.   
   >> Done right, it should work just as well unplugged.   
   >>>   
   >>> Anyway, I only know what theory says. I am told that typically one does   
   >>> not bother with impedance matching for shortwave listening; but theory   
   >>> is that for best benefit from an external antenna you want a conjugate   
   >>> match. That means the resistive part of the impedance should match the   
   >>> resistive part of the load, and any reactance at the source should be   
   >>> balanced out - cancelled - by equal and opposite reactance at the load.   
   >>>   
   >>> Now I could easily understand a 10:1 energy loss (3:1 impedance matching   
   >>> error) not being too much of an issue, but once you get to 100:1 losses   
   >>> and worse, it would seem that some kind of antenna tuning would be in   
   >>> order.   
   >> My DX 440 has a big drop off in sensitivity when it automatically   
   >> switches from the internal loop to the external whip at something like   
   >> 1620 kHz. The whip works well enough at normal SW reception frequencies.   
   >>   
   >> Now that I think of it, the DX 375 might be using the internal loop also   
   >> as an impedance matching device for the high impedance whip.   
   >>>   
   >>>> An antenna tuner would be helpful because the untuned input stage is   
   >>>> going to overload first on the strongest signal, which is likely a   
   >>>> local BCB station.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, of course. You're really getting killed with an untuned input   
   >>> stage if there are powerful sources nearby.   
   >>>   
   >>> George   
   >   
   > Wow, all of you guys are amazing. I don't understand most of what you guys   
   are explaining, however, I have the same issue as Derek and am going to try to   
   find the parts and instructions on what you are talking about doing. Thanks   
   all of you!  VickyH.   
      
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