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JH> btw, nobody was trying to make renegade their own.  it's public domain.
TM> 
TM> Actually, it's not.  It was leaked after Jeff Herrings found out Patrick g
TM> me the code and he threw a hissy fit like a child.
TM> 

that's not what he told me.
it actually happened when i was talking on zeronet about it and i was saying 
it would be good if it was released.  patrick fucked over jeff over some stuff
he lent him.   I dont think jeff cared if you had the code or if he even knew 
about you at that point.  he certainly didn't have any ego about renegade.

TM> Yes, but the point is, you refused to add the latest files saying there wa
TM> enough changes to be worth it, as if it was your choice. So now, everyone 
TM> get the most up to date version from both sites, as it should've been from
TM> start.

well at that point there were not enough changes to warrant an update on the 
site.   and it was my site and i ran it how i wanted to.  I provided support 
for the older versions and I hosted the files.  I also linked to other 
renegade developers.

I gave the domain to lux because he said he wanted to do something with 
renegade and help people out.  of course, he never did anything.

If you wanted the domain you should have just asked for it.  you could have 
got it for free instead of paying 1k for it.  I was certainly not a squatter.

but really, the whole renegade situation is a big pathetic mess. I don't know 
why you pride yourself on being the home of renegade.  Renegade bbs is an 
orphan. 

i hate jason scott but he said it best:

"Note from Jason Scott: For a number of years while I worked on the BBS 
documentary, I came into contact with a good number of the developers for 
Renegade software. To say there's some miscommunication between different 
parties is an understatement. Part of the problem (if it can be called that) 
is that first of all, Renegade was a popular BBS program, meaning there was 
significant worth and value placed on feature development and work, meaning 
more pressure for whoever announced they were working on it. Second, the 
software's source code has been tightly controlled since its creation, meaning
that only authorized parties could develop it. This meant a small web of 
trust, and also meant that if whoever was developing the software wasn't doing
so to the satisfaction of the large (non-paying) audience, they recieved an 
awful lot of grief. Finally, Windows' acceptance and dominance of the x86 
platform meant that Renegade's development was stalled at several critical 
junctures. As mentioned above, work has continued, but there are a lot of 
broken hearts and bad feelings left behind with this program."

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