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|    jurb6006@gmail.com to All    |
|    Re: More Math I Never Did    |
|    15 Dec 18 21:00:02    |
      I almost dumped this thing. The question was, in part, how the answer got to       be in milli or micro, but I looked and saw that the variables entered were <1,       fractions of an inch. I guess that means that formula works in inches. OK, but       I just didn't think        of it fast enough. The answer was adjusted to the nearest convenient decimal       place.               Anyway, part of the reason I even asked is for speakers. Now let me tell you       something. You take a sealed cabinet and put a low impedance woofer in it, it       is going to suffer some low end loss which COULD be helped by a port or       passive radiator.        but the rolloff is twice as bad when it goes under the resonant frequency.       Could be 20dB/octave, who knows ?               With a sealed cabinet the rolloff is 3dB/octave. Or 6 depending on how you       look at it. But if you look to the bottom octave it is not buried 16dB down       like it is an a cabinet with a port or passive radiator, it actually has more       output down there.               As such it can be reasonably equalized electronically. Trying to overcome 20dB       is impossible, but say 9dB is not.               This does not have to happen in the amp. this EQ could be n the crossover.       They put 3 ohm woofers in some speakers and with the coil in series can barely       eek by with a 6 ohm rating. The impedance at 19KHz is like 2.5 ohms, but at       100Hz it is 40. They CAN        claim a higher impedance because of that.               But what is happening is that the woofer is getting a tilted response, some       maybe 15dB up in the lowest octave which will really bring it out in a sealed       system because the thing rolls off at a reasonable rate, not like 20dB/octave.       This works best with        solid state amps and the higher the damping factor the better.               So that bottom octave CAN be had with 8" woofers and at 110dB. What happens       with ported or passive radiator speakers is that they DO have greater output,       but form the port odr passive radiator it is out of phase. They try to tel you       it doesn't matter but        they are full of shit. YOU COME AND LISTEN, I can demonstrate, well I will be       able to soon.               Bottom line is fuck all this shit, I stick with the old designs. In my project       list are a pair of Boston Acoustics A-150 and Audio Research AR-93Q. I got a       pair of EPIs, I think 100C that have a great low end as do my Nova Six,       ELCHEAPO Radio Shack        speakers. And I prefer them to the biggest JBLs, Macs, almost anything in the       mid/hifi range. No ports. Less efficient. But better sound. the bass is tight,       it is almost surprising to some how well controlled the bass is yet still       responsive to the        lowest octave. Most ported speakers are like, m, , loose. You can control the       woofer electronically but you can't control the air. With a sealed cabinet       for the woofer, you CAN control the air. there is nothing like it. I stand by       this until death,        speakers should not have holes in the cabinet. Period.               If you heard my system you would not argue. (not saying you are but...)              So they can keep their little one note bass box and the balsa wood "speakers"       and I will keep my three bucks that they are worth along with the three       hundred they get the idiots to pay for their fucking junk.               Anyone wants to argue, we make a date at a REAL stereo shop.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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