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|    Re: Colpitts oscillator    |
|    28 Sep 19 19:08:05    |
      Measuring stuff like that unless you need real amplitude parameters is best       done by picking up the radiation. That affects the circuit the least. Remember       the law in science, you cannot measure anything without affecting it. If you       think that through        very carefully you will find it to be absolutely true but I know the usual       question like telescopes, and I have the answer to that. But for now as my       friend Raphael would say - fuck all that.               Depending on the gain your oscillator had, the probe capacitance could have       killed it. If you use the loop method, you are going to need a very sensitive       scope, I doubt 5mV/div would show you much. Capacitively might be better, just       don't ground anything        and get the probe near the collector. If you used the design on that page and       there is not inductor the loop trick will not work well. When you use a coil       then it is better.               The capacitance of the probe on the collector, remember even though it is       loaded by the capacitive divider and no doubt that got it a lower collector       resistor, you are still feeding the emitter. That makes the collector output       "soft" in a manner of        speaking. Like the focus voltage to a CRT, it usually has such low current       behind it you just don't have to worry about it. Just your body will short it       out and you might not even feel it.               That type of oscillator usually needs a buffer. If youo have use for two       polarities of it then use an FET and take off the source and drain with equal       load resistors on it, of whatever value you need. (then you pick the FET when       you know all the        parameters you require)              Or you can use an emitter follower. that is actually a misnomer because they       call THAT stage an emitter follower but in it nothing follows the emitter. It       is actually a common collector configuration. The emitter follows the base and       it presents much        less of a load to the previous stage.               On common this and that, like your common base. Learning ? Learn this. ALL       TRANSISTORS ARE COMMON EMITTER. The emitter is the terminal of the device that       is common to the input and output. the difference in what they call common       emitter, collector or        base stages only means which way you pointed it in the circuits. The       transistor hasn't changed. Which terminal is at signal ground ?               Common collector you get current gain but no voltage gain. Common base you get       voltage gain but no current gain.        Common emitter you can actually have both but that does not make it right for       every circuit.               If you are interested enough to get through this shit then you might just like       this field. And understand I look at things in a very unconventional manner.       However I submit this - I am successful at it.               Oscillators are not my strong point but I can see the circuit. the output       impedance is higher than you would think at quick glance. Usually it is like       the collector load resistor, and I guess it is. But that doesn't mean       capacitance can't stop it. up in        the MHz range it doesn't take much.               One thing you might like, I don't feel like finding the link right now so just       go search for impedance nomograph. There will be a hit at some university. It       is in HTML sorta, but I think Java or whatever. You can save it if you know       how, then you don't        have to get online to use it. But just bookmarking might be alright, it seems       to be staying put.               If you have interest and drive you might like this field. But I have this to       say, get your running shoes on because once you catch up you don't get a rest.       Technology moves fast these days. You want to catch it you have to be fast.               --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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